Children of Skywalker, children of Solo???

Darth Yoda Kenobi · Jul 1, 2015

Hi people,

Having just read a very interesting, albeit vastly and very often discussed, thread on makingstarwars.com about the lineage of TFA heroes I wondered just how important this topic was/is to follow fans.

On one hand we have a story that details Rey as being the daughter of Luke or Han and Leia which, in some threads/posts, Kylo Ren is also mentioned in the above lineage as a brother to Rey.
On the other hand we are being told by sources, reliable or otherwise, that this isn't the case at all and that Rey and Kylo are not related to either the Skywalker's or Solo's!

As a massive fan of the star wars universe my own personal opinion is that to introduce Rey and Kylo as Solo twins really defeats the object of making the Jada and Jacen Solo novels non canonical. It also shows a lack of imagination and originality. The same could be said of the stories in which Luke has a son named Ben. In addition I recently read a post about Finn being related to Lando Calrissian..........so now our vast SW universe is being narrowly minded into linking two characters together based on their ethnicity rather than the SW universe actually being vast and ripe with new and original characters!

So......is it possible that the star wars universe is big enough to expand the story to unrelated characters giving a broader scope of that very universe OR do we have a story that ties in with the other 6 movies in terms of the family?

I guess we wont know until the movie arrives (come on December!!) but its fun to trade ideas.

Bosc · Jul 1, 2015

Great topic!

My thinking has evolved over time. Once upon a time I was of the camp that there need be no familial relationships of any kind in the new movies, and largely I still feel that way. But I've come around to the "fact" (in quotes) that the saga, or the Episode movies, are about the Skywalker family. Otherwise, there's nothing to differentiate them from the Anthology movies that are now being made. So I don't need or want anyone to be related to anyone else... except there needs to be a grandchild of Anakin Skywalker in there somewhere.

But who? I don't know. I've gotten used to the idea that it's Rey. But if it isn't, then I'm cool with that, too. Could Kylo Ren and Rey be siblings? Sure. I'm open to it. I never read any of the old EU, so I don't have any connection to those old Solo twins... or whoever they were. But even if they cherry-picked the idea of Solo twins/siblings from Legends, it doesn't automatically mean it will be a rehash of the old stories. I would hope and expect it would be something new.

But yeah. A new Skywalker has to be in it, whether it's Rey or otherwise, because that family is at the heart of the Saga.

MagnarTheGreat · Jul 1, 2015

Some examples.

Part I

About family:

Kathleen Kennedy: "This is a generational family saga and that fundamentally has been very important to us to continue that." "And the drama inherent in that is the tension between good and evil." (April 30, 2015)

"Kathleen said it was by the way is the 'family' in the important elements of Star Wars. Asked what will be involved family members of former fans familiar characters in this film, 'be-I will' and wry smile. Stayed to answer the 'Skywalker clan in all star wars has done.'" (Bing translation May 2015)

Kathleen Kennedy: "The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga. The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films. The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story. The Anthology films offer opportunities to explore fresh characters, new storylines and a variety of genres inside the Star Wars universe." (October 2015)

Kathleen Kennedy: "[George Lucas] really liked [The Force Awakens]." (December 4, 2016)

Kathleen Kennedy: "We had discussions based off of George's treatments, and then when J.J. and Larry came into the process, there were new ideas being discussed, which is normally what would happen in a development process. We didn't have a script, we didn't have an extensive treatment of any kind, so we were still trying to find the story for the movie, so it's not as though something was just read and then set aside, and everybody said, 'Oh, we don't want to do that, we're going to start on this new thing.' Everything emanated from what George had created with the original movies, and then some of the things he was talking about in this brief synopsis. We carried on from there." (December 11, 2015)

Kathleen Kennedy: "Well, here’s the thing. There are certain things they retained and obviously everything George created, you can imagine, every single person involved in this process hugely respects and wanted to know as much as they possibly could about the universe that he was describing. He had specific plot ideas that evolved. He sat down with me in 2012, and now it’s almost 2016, and you know the development process, where you bring writers on and once the story starts to take shape, it evolves. George wasn’t a part of those development discussions, so it was a fairly natural process of evolution. It sounds like we ignored him but that’s not really what happened. [...] the legacy characters play a significant role in this, and I would say and inside the balance that George was talking about to begin with. It was really much more to do with the specifics of the history of the saga. We changed the order of a few things, let’s put it that way. We didn’t make some wholesale change." (December 17, 2015)

Kathleen Kennedy: "The Saga films are primarily the soap opera centered around the Skywalker family." (December 17, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "I loved how Star Wars had that sense of a world far beyond the borders of what you can see and have been told – it’s one of the things it did so brilliantly. If you watch the first movie, you don’t actually know exactly what the Empire is trying to do. They’re going to rule by fear – but you don’t know what their end game is. You don’t know what Leia is princess of. You don’t yet understand who Jabba the Hutt is, even though there is a reference to him. You don’t know that Vader is Luke’s father, Leia is his sister – but the possibility is all there. The beauty of that movie was that it was an unfamiliar world, & yet you wanted to see it expand and to see where it went." (November 2, 2013)

J. J. Abrams: "[Harrison Ford and I] talked about what we were thinking for the story, and he liked what he was hearing. He was excited to get back in those shoes again, which was really interesting because I thought he hadn't been a fan. I kept hearing those rumors when I was a kid." (May 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "I can’t imagine that Han Solo would ever not be a smartass. On the other hand, I’d like to think that he is very different at 30 than he is at around 70." "When you live a life, you’ve had loss, you’ve experienced love and family and epiphanies and tragedies and disappointments and surprises. Those things accumulate." (November 11, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "We wanted to tell a story that had its own self-contained beginning, middle, and end but at the same time, like A New Hope, implied a history that preceded it and also hinted at a future to follow. When Star Wars first came out, it was a film that both allowed the audience to understand a new story but also to infer all sorts of exciting things that might be. In that first movie, Luke wasn’t necessarily the son of Vader, he wasn’t necessarily the brother of Leia, but it was all possible. The Force Awakens has this incredible advantage, not just of a passionate fan base but also of a backstory that is familiar to a lot of people. We’ve been able to use what came before in a very organic way, because we didn’t have to reboot anything. We didn’t have to come up with a backstory that would make sense; it’s all there." (November 2015)

J. J. Abrams: (to George Lucas) "You tell me [about Darth Vader's grandchildren], man. You made all this blast up." (October 29, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "Before I showed up, it was already something that Disney had decided they wanted to go a different way with. But the spirit of what [George Lucas] wrote, both in those pages and prior, is everything that this movie is built upon." (November 20, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "“Star Wars’ was always a boys’ thing and a movie that dads could take their sons to, and though that’s still very much the case, I was really hoping this could be a movie that mothers could take their daughters to, as well. I’m looking forward to kids seeing this movie and seeing themselves in it and seeing that they’re capable of doing things that they never imagined possible." (November 30, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "We sat down and we just started talking about Star Wars. We just started talking about what this thing could be, and as we were talking about it I found myself suddenly on fire." "When Kathy and I started talking about these characters, the idea that Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Princess Leia - this is 40 years ago, so for someone who’s 19 years old, they’re myths. Who knows what they know about them? People wouldn’t even know, maybe, who some of these characters are." "The thing that got me, that grabbed me, was that feeling of a new, young character - in the case of this conversation it was a female character, didn’t know anything about her, but in the conversation that question of this young woman asking ‘who is Luke Skywalker?’, I don’t know why but it made me feel like ‘**** that’s so cool!’ That there would be a discovery, these would be essentially kids who didn’t see Star Wars themselves who would be in this universe. The idea of sort of rediscovering this world." (December 1, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "The most jaw-dropping-est thing to me, in retrospect, is that moment in Episode IV when Leia is being held and Vader goes in to torture her for information. When you think of it later, it’s like, ‘Oh my God, that’s his daughter.’ He’s going to torture his own daughter. At the time, it’s just scary. Then it gets just really creepy when you think about it. It’s the worst. It’s horrible." "It is [bizarre]. But that's what's so amazing about Star Wars, too. The possibilities were so enormous. At the end of Star Wars, you didn't know who was related to whom, but anything was possible. That's what was so cool about it I think." (December 9, 2015)

Lawrence Kasdan: “Harrison [Ford] definitely has input [into Han Solo]. He is so amazing in this movie. And his history during the movie, what he went through. He’s an actual superhero! He’s not a fake superhero. I’ve never seen him better, more generous, or more sweet and giving with everyone and with me. He contributed enormously, as he always did.” “[Harrison contributed] on the set. A lot of the writing happened while we were shooting. We had a first draft in six weeks, but then we’ve writing for another two years. It’s really changed a lot over that time. Harrison had a big impact.” (December 8, 2015)

Lawrence Kasdan: “[The young Han Solo movie] is so in line with the Star Wars saga, which is all about fathers and sons, mothers and sons, mother and daughters. It’s all about generational issues that you and I face every day. How much of what I inherited is good? How much of it is a burden to me? How do I define myself separate from those things? How do I latch on to the things that were great in my parents.” (December 17, 2015)

Harrison Ford: "No. I don't think that's it [when doing a sequel to a movie]. I think what you do is–when we were doing the Indiana Jones movies, for instance–I thought it was important that we bring something new about the character. That was really important about the character to the audience. And that's–and we did. We did that. We did that with introducing my father, with introducing my son. And suddenly the audience was–"there's a whole new stuff here!". And it makes it more interesting I think for an audience." (San Diego Comic Con 2013)

Harrison Ford: "I don't know that it's a difference in theme [in comparison to the original trilogy]...it's a development of theme. And it's a natural progression of the [theme] that has occurred from the stories that we told in the first three. And perhaps an emotional rounding of the experience that we all had in the first three films." (San Diego Comic Con 2015)

Harrison Ford: "It never occurred to think about [where Han ended up after ROTJ] because I never expected that it would come back... to bless me rather than haunt me. I was... I never thought that we would do another and it was only, you know I was very gratified when I read the script because I read something that I thought was really remarkable, really well-written, and with some very intriguing developments and so I was delighted to be involved and I was very happy to be part of the story and the cast again." (San Diego Comic Con 2015)

Harrison Ford: "No, there’s not an abandoning of the [Han Solo] character." "He does not aspire to the position of Obi-‘Ben’ Kenobi, nor do I aspire to be some New Age Alec Guinness. His development is consistent with the character, and there are emotional elements which have occasioned his growth." "We spend a lot more time [in the movie] on his failure to master basic skills, like accounting. And accounting for his own behavior. There’s a lot of the rogue still left in Solo. Some things don’t change." (November 11, 2015)

Harrison Ford: "I think [Han Solo's] got a more complex story now, a little bit more of an emotional context than perhaps there was before. But he's still the same guy." "No [I can't tell you Han's relationship status]. No I can't. I can't go that far [to answer the question]." (December 1, 2015)

Harrison Ford: "I was not expecting it be made, frankly." "I didn’t ever think about it until George (Lucas) called me a few years ago and said: might you be interested?" "I said: Might it be good?" "He said: We’ll let you know when we have a script." "And then JJ became involved and he had his own way with the script and the script became even better. But that’s often the process. One hopes that that’s going to be the process. It’s not that it took an unnatural turn." (December 9, 2015)

Harrison Ford: "George was involved in the development of the script. It had George's genius behind it, and he left us in a very good position to pass things on to a new director. I was very comfortable with J. J., having known him since he wrote Regarding Henry. He was very involved in that production. I felt George had made his choices and I was comfortable with that as well." "As the creator of the myth we were tending, [Lucas's] imprimatur was on everything. So yes, if you will, he was with us in spirit." (Empire magazine January 2016)

Carrie Fisher: "Han Solo and I have been unhappily married for many years. And so we speak through the wookiees and use a translator. I regularly say to R2 'Tell that son of a Vhlor to ***!' And we have children, but one of them looks a lot like Chewbacca, and we use Yoda, who's regenerated on a planet somewhere, for marital therapy. I urge Chewie to get waxed for sure! There's also a lot of shopping. Because there's cool things to buy and giant planets that are shopping malls. Alderaan means shopping mall by the way. And then I start sleeping with robots, how about that?" (July 3, 2013)

Carrie Fisher (twitter): "I've been writing mrs h solo for YEARS, so is that a spoiler or ESP? You be the judge...." "After getting endless **** about revealing secrets about new SW, Y would I then just go 4th & reveal secrets multiple times?I must b a moron" "Can u imagine some force fed space friendly wedding in the sky?& do you, nerf herder, take this scruffy looking half wit to B thy r2fest" "I never actually read the script so I dont no what happens. I could end up with Jabba 4 all eye no-Unless He was just a giant penis w/ features" "Pizza Hut is Jabba & Leia's illegitimate penis with features (actually it's Pizza the Hutt)" (June 3, 2015) Fisher tweeted for half an hour in response to this article that she was still writing "mrs h solo" 6 months after filming for The Force Awakens had wrapped.

Carrie Fisher: "[Leia is] solitary. Under a lot of pressure. Committed as ever to her cause, but I would imagine feeling somewhat defeated, tired, and pissed." (November 11, 2015)

Carrie Fisher: "[Leia is] an adult. She’s someone who’s had experiences that were difficult. It’s not as funny anymore." (December 2, 2015)

Carrie Fisher: "[Leia is] still walking and talking." "She doesn’t have any mortal wounds or disease." "[But] things have happened that have been difficult." (December 4, 2015)

Mark Hamill: "I'm assuming, because I haven't talked to the writers, that these movies would be about our offspring – like my character would be sort of in the Obi-Wan range [as] an influential character. … When I found out [while making the original trilogy] that ultimate good news/bad news joke – the good news is there's a real attractive, hot girl in the universe; the bad news is she's your sister – I thought, 'Well, I'm going to wind up like Sir Alec [Guinness]. I'm going to be a lonely old hermit living out in some kind of desert igloo with a couple of robots.'" (February 2013)

Mark Hamill: "This is about the new generation of characters; I think that’s the most important thing. It’s the opening act of a whole new approach to the storytelling. So I never thought that the stories would be – first of all, I never thought I’d be involved in it again, period. And then when George [Lucas] said that they wanted to do more, I rightly assumed that it wouldn’t be our story, because we had a beginning, a middle, and an end. This must be our offspring and the current generation..." (December 2014)

Mark Hamill: "When you find out that the only woman that you really fell head over heels with is your sister... you know, it's telling you something. So I had a feeling I'd probably wind up like Sir Alec [Guinness] in the first one, living in some igloo out in the desert... ...in therapy, but with just no human contact, just droids... ...no, seriously... I mean we all laugh about it but can you–when you follow it through that must have been quite the traumatic experience for my character. You know what I'm saying? 'Cause [Han and I] were both after her..." (San Diego Comic Con 2015)

Adam Driver: "The thing about Star Wars that’s so good—sure there’s this huge [canvas]. It’s space, it’s a long time ago in a galaxy far away. That’s set up immediately. But in the midst of all those things, what has made those movies last so long is that they’re all grounded, which is something that is not so far off from every movie with huge universal themes of siblings and parents and betrayal and trust. That’s so generic and obvious, but it’s hard to balance those things. When you break all of those things down, really it’s just because someone wasn’t loved enough or felt betrayed. That’s what makes those movies so universal. I think they can get in your mind in big and sweeping ways." (August 2014) Driver also said that Episode VII is about "loss" and "friendship". (September 2014)

Oscar Isaac: "The [Star Wars] stories are about family." (Celebration April 2015)

George Lucas: "The original saga was about the father, the children, and the grandchildren. I mean, that's not a secret, anyway, it's even in the novels and everything. And then the children were in their 20s and everything and so it wasn't [The] Phantom Menace again. [...] I have no idea what they are doing." (April 2015)

George Lucas: "J.J.. What happened to Darth Vader's grandchildren?" (October 29, 2015)

George Lucas: "Well I'm curious about what happened to Darth Vader's grandkids." (November 18, 2015)

George Lucas: "The issue was ultimately they looked at the stories and they said 'We want to make something for the fans.' So, I said all I want to do is tell a story of what happened... it started here and went there - it's all about generations and it's about the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers and... it's a family soap opera. It's called a space opera but people don't realize it's actually a soap opera. And it's all about family problems and that kind of... it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories. They decided that they were gonna do their own thing." (November 19, 2015)

George Lucas: "I love [the movies], I created them, I’m very intimately involved in them, and I sold them to the white slavers that take these things and …" "They wanted to do a retro movie. I don’t like that. I like — every movie, I worked very hard to make them completely different, with different planets, with different spaceships — you know, to make it new. … You do end up with this thing, which is, you know, you gotta live with it. People are gonna talk about it and all that kind of stuff. It’s like talking about your divorce or something. It’s just awkward, but it’s not painful." (November 19, 2015)

George Lucas: "I think the fans are going to love it. It’s very much the kind of movie they’ve been looking for." (December 7, 2015)

George Lucas: "I want to clarify my interview on the Charlie Rose Show. It was for the Kennedy Center Honors and conducted prior to the premiere of the film. I misspoke and used a very inappropriate analogy and for that I apologize. I have been working with Disney for 40 years and chose them as the custodians of Star Wars because of my great respect for the company and Bob Iger’s leadership. Disney is doing an incredible job of taking care of and expanding the franchise. I rarely go out with statements to clarify my feelings but I feel it is important to make it clear that I am thrilled that Disney has the franchise and is moving it in such exciting directions in film, television and the parks. Most of all I’m blown away with the record breaking blockbuster success of the new movie and am very proud of JJ and Kathy." (December 31, 2015)

Bob Iger: "We thought from a storytelling perspective [the Lucas story treatments] had a lot of potential." (March 7, 2013)

Japanese trailer description translation: "The first chapter of a new Star Wars trilogy. This is the story of Rey, a lonesome heroine who is waiting for her family; with the power of the Force, she begins a new tale of 'family love and loss'." (November 2015)

[Character] Luke Skywalker: "The Force is strong in my family." "My father has it." "I have it." "My sister has it." "You have that power, too." (Teaser #2 April 2015)

[Character] Rey: "I'm no one." (Trailer October 2015)

[Character] Rey: "I know all about waiting." "For my family." (Japanese Trailer November 2015)

About secrecy:

Kathleen Kennedy: "You know we have so many great surprises for the fans." (San Diego Comic Con 2015)

Kathleen Kennedy: "I’ll dodge [the questions] artfully." "Possibly [you can look forward to a shocking plot twist]." (November 6, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "I will only say about that that it is completely intentional that their last names aren’t public record.” (August 12, 2015)

J. J. Abrams: "He is a character who came to the name Kylo Ren when he joined a group called the Knights of Ren." (August 12, 2015)

Mark Hamill: "This is a whole different world … The first one, no one cared. The second one there was a lot of interest, but it was before the Internet. … I tell people we’re not trying to annoy you or tease you or play some massive game. Basically what the goal is to keep the surprises for the movie instead of spoiling them on the Internet." (May 16, 2014)

Mark Hamill: "I wish people would just relax. We’re not trying to play games with people. We just want to maximize their experience at the movies where it should be seen and not have it leaked over the Internet." (February 5, 2015)

Mark Hamill: "[There is] so much information there for you to speculate about [in Teaser #2]. It implies so much that's gone on from `Jedi' till now. They don't call it a teaser for nothing. They want to tease you." (April 20, 2015)

Mark Hamill: "Obviously you’re seeing [Luke Skywalker] at a very different time in his life. There’s lots of surprises in this movie." "You’re going to love it." (November 20, 2015)

Daisy Ridley: "It's nice that along the way we can keep people involved as much as possible, because I know it's difficult when we're keeping secrets. But it's all for the right reasons." (August 16, 2015)

Daisy Ridley: "[Secrecy] is for the right reason. Like, nobody wants spoilers unless you're gonna see them on the big screen unless it's being released for a reason to kind of keep the excitement going. I think it's an amazing thing that we've kept it as secret as we have because people are going to turn up in December and like be blown away, hopefully." (August 18, 2015)

Daisy Ridley: "Me and John had to do something the other day, and we were allowed to talk about things that we haven't been able to talk about, and I felt really funny about that. I'm not going to get in huge trouble, but it's just that everyone has worked so hard on it. The minute you think about all the other thousands of people who are keeping this a secret, it didn't feel like such a burden anymore. Even if I were to describe in the best detail possible everything that happens in the film, I could never do it justice because it's a story told in film. So the secrecy doesn't feel difficult. It feels like the right thing. There were rumors here and there, and some things are true and some are totally not." (November 4, 2015)

Daisy Ridley: "Yeah [I've had media training], but that was also because I didn't know what I was allowed to talk about. And also, ha ha, my media training, I had to watch it back, it was so cringe. Someone said, 'So, can you tell us anything about the film?' I was like: 'No.' They were like, 'Yeah, you can't do that...' (Glamour Magazine January 2016)

Daisy Ridley: "John [Boyega] feels I slightly lied to him, because I was already cast and he couldn't know that." (December 3, 2015)

John Boyega: "The first time I met Daisy [Ridley] was during the auditions; she had been cast as Rey and obviously they were doing chemistry reads with the guys. So I was like, 'Are you playing the girl?' And she was like, 'No, no. I'm just reading.' Then I found out she was cast and that she knew all along." (December 3, 2015)

Oscar Isaac: "This new episode of Star Wars is full of surprises and twists." (Google translation August 23, 2015)
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Continued in Part II

Darth Yoda Kenobi · Jul 1, 2015

MagnarTheGreat said: ↑

Some examples.

Kathleen Kennedy: "This is a generational family saga and that fundamentally has been very important to us to continue that." "And the drama inherent in that is the tension between good and evil." (April 30, 2015)

Kathleen Kennedy: "Family is very important inside the Star Wars movies. Daisy when she came in I was particularly taken by the fact that she kept talking about her family—her mom, her sisters. We began to realize that many of the things about Daisy are the things that are inside the character that is played in the movie of Rey." (May 2015)

Daisy Ridley: "I'm not sure how much I can say... I guess because that I've said that I'm solitary. That's how I begin. That is probably a big clue as to what, um...what it is." (May 2015)

Daisy Ridley: "Oh really? I never heard that [Rey is the daughter of Han Solo and...]. <laughs>" "No, I did. I did. There was so many rumors. I'm so excited for people to watch the film, and yeah, know what happens there." (May 2015)

Oscar Isaac: "The [Star Wars] stories are about family." (Celebration April 2015)

So that's that then! Haha. There was never any doubt from myself about the TFA being about family as a whole although I'm still really unsure of how they will incorporate that into this movie.......whom will be son/daughter/grand child of whom. I just hope they take an original approach

Daisy Ridley: "The story is wonderful. It's very exciting. And there's themes of family and finding your place and all the gorgeous things that make Star Wars what it is." (May 2015) (More about Rey at the Rey index...)

Daisy Ridley: "Yeah [Rey's identity is a secret]. I'm sorry!" (May 2015)

When asked to describe the movie in one word, Ridley said "family", and Kennedy said "beginning." (May 2015)

Adam Driver: "The thing about Star Wars that’s so good—sure there’s this huge [canvas]. It’s space, it’s a long time ago in a galaxy far away. That’s set up immediately. But in the midst of all those things, what has made those movies last so long is that they’re all grounded, which is something that is not so far off from every movie with huge universal themes of siblings and parents and betrayal and trust. That’s so generic and obvious, but it’s hard to balance those things. When you break all of those things down, really it’s just because someone wasn’t loved enough or felt betrayed. That’s what makes those movies so universal. I think they can get in your mind in big and sweeping ways." (August 2014) Driver also said that Episode VII is about "loss" and "friendship". (September 2014)

Mark Hamill: "This is about the new generation of characters; I think that’s the most important thing. It’s the opening act of a whole new approach to the storytelling. So I never thought that the stories would be – first of all, I never thought I’d be involved in it again, period. And then when George [Lucas] said that they wanted to do more, I rightly assumed that it wouldn’t be our story, because we had a beginning, a middle, and an end. This must be our offspring and the current generation..." (December 2014)

George Lucas: "The original saga was about the father, the children, and the grandchildren. I mean, that's not a secret, anyway, it's even in the novels and everything. And then the children were in their 20s and everything and so it wasn't [The] Phantom Menace again." (April 2015)

Luke Skywalker: "The Force is strong in my family." "My father has it." "I have it." "My sister has it." "You have that power, too." (Teaser #2 April 2015)
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jmjawors said: ↑

Great topic!

My thinking has evolved over time. Once upon a time I was of the camp that there need be no familial relationships of any kind in the new movies, and largely I still feel that way. But I've come around to the "fact" (in quotes) that the saga, or the Episode movies, are about the Skywalker family. Otherwise, there's nothing to differentiate them from the Anthology movies that are now being made. So I don't need or want anyone to be related to anyone else... except there needs to be a grandchild of Anakin Skywalker in there somewhere.

But who? I don't know. I've gotten used to the idea that it's Rey. But if it isn't, then I'm cool with that, too. Could Kylo Ren and Rey be siblings? Sure. I'm open to it. I never read any of the old EU, so I don't have any connection to those old Solo twins... or whoever they were. But even if they cherry-picked the idea of Solo twins/siblings from Legends, it doesn't automatically mean it will be a rehash of the old stories. I would hope and expect it would be something new.

But yeah. A new Skywalker has to be in it, whether it's Rey or otherwise, because that family is at the heart of the Saga.
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Couldn't agree more! I'm still undecided as to which scenario would be best viewing for myself......either way I think its gonna be one hell of a movie!!

ig89 · Jul 1, 2015

I think Rey being related to noone familiar is more far fetched than the narrow minded connections that u describe that are just really plausible. Rey is related to a Skywalker 100%, as for the rest, I don't know. It would also be a huge middlefinger to the Skywalker legacy to just not put anyone with a decent roll in the film that relates to them.

Fooled Trooper · Jul 1, 2015

My concern is that, when Skywalker or Solo have no children of their own, that this would comes off like Luke and Han or Leia are no "good" adults. Having children is a strong theme that gives off a great light. And Skywalker´s as for Solo´s would benefit from this "maturity" and growth that we only had in books or fan-fictions.

For 30 years we hoped that those two "houses" or Heroes would give the torch or lightsabers to their own offsprings. We read this story 20 years now. People want it now to be happening in canon and on film.

If the whole scenario goes the other direction, I hope that those "adopted" daughters and sons get the bonding they need and deserve and we movie watchers, fans of every aspect of Star Wars have some kind of substitute.

My view and opinion of the family theme might come as old, ancient or just stubborn but behind this is an expectation that our childhood heroes also did grow up like we did showing similar or the same problems and overcome and learn like we did.

Darth Yoda Kenobi · Jul 1, 2015

ig89 said: ↑

I think Rey being related to noone familiar is more far fetched than the narrow minded connections that u describe that are just really plausible. Rey is related to a Skywalker 100%, as for the rest, I don't know. It would also be a huge middlefinger to the Skywalker legacy to just not put anyone with a decent roll in the film that relates to them.
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A misunderstanding me thinks! My point was that if Rey and Kylo are to be playing Han Solo's children in every way the EU novels did then we, as fans of the franchise, would be shown a movie that lacks originality and imagination. Its in my opinion that any mainstream story for SW going forward should be original and have plenty of twists.......'Luke, I am your father'.

Rey or Kylo being a Skywalker on the other hand will continue the Skywalker legacy, bridge all the movies and carry the Skywalker lantern into further story arcs.

So yes, I agree with you that there NEEDS to be a 'new' Skywalker but who that person is is open to suggestion although narrowed down to two characters.

Maybe the new Skywalker is Kylo Ren. Being obsessed with his grandpa and taught the ways of the force by his father is a starting point. And just because Ren is the movies main antagonist doesn't main he can't turn back to the good side! Maybe that's why Snoke (shocking name), Gleeson's character and Captain Phasma are also amongst the TFA bad guys.

Grand Master Galen Marek · Jul 1, 2015

Gleeson will be a skywalker, while Rey & Kylo will be Solo's.

Trevor · Jul 1, 2015

I don't know...as weird as it may sound, I'd like to see Rey as a Skywalker......LUKES.

Darth Yoda Kenobi · Jul 2, 2015

Still not sure which way this is going to go but one things for certain....if Rey (only seen wielding a bo staff), Finn (only currently seen with a blaster) and Gleeson's character (First Order Commander) are all force sensitive along with Kylo Ren and Luke we're guaranteed plenty of light saber duelling action!!

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of seeing Leia and maybe even Maz Kanata (assumed pirate) using one. Before the prequel trilogy came out I doubt anyone would have thought positively about Yoda (walking stick) or Palpatine (dark force electric) armed with a light saber.

Again, just my opinion

Aufman · Jul 2, 2015

Rey will be using a lightsaber in Episodes 8 and 9 while Finn does not. Rey will continue with the Skywalker legacy and rise to greatness as the next Jedi Grand Master. And yes, Rey will lose her limbs and receive cybernetic replacements that will augment her super force abilities.

Darth Yoda Kenobi · Jul 2, 2015

Aufman said: ↑

Rey will be using a lightsaber in Episodes 8 and 9 while Finn does not. Rey will continue with the Skywalker legacy and rise to greatness as the next Jedi Grand Master. And yes, Rey will lose her limbs and receive cybernetic replacements that will augment her super force abilities.
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Maybe you've seen the movie already?!

Its all fun speculation guided by the morsels of information that we can stitch together from various sources.......we may (and I'm pretty sure we all will) be very surprised, welcoming and be positively blown away by TFA. Of that, I have no doubt!

Dark Toilet · Jul 2, 2015

Aufman said: ↑

Rey will be using a lightsaber in Episodes 8 and 9 while Finn does not. Rey will continue with the Skywalker legacy and rise to greatness as the next Jedi Grand Master. And yes, Rey will lose her limbs and receive cybernetic replacements that will augment her super force abilities.
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Is this some kind of broken record? Am I having de-ja-vu? This just seems so familiar...

redwinger · Jul 2, 2015

I have a gut feeling the reason Michael Arndt's draft got canned was that there were no family ties involved.

I think that JJ&Co. have opted to have their cake and eat it, too, by having Rey (and perhaps Kylo) being a blood relation and Finn/Maz representing the 'new crowd' in whom the Force has also awoken. You can mine many types of conflict from that setup...

Grand Master Galen Marek · Jul 3, 2015

Dark Toilet said: ↑

Is this some kind of broken record? Am I having de-ja-vu? This just seems so familiar...
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Yep in @Aufman's case the negative ratings are right now.

redwinger said: ↑

I have a gut feeling the reason Michael Arndt's draft got canned was that there were no family ties involved.

I think that JJ&Co. have opted to have their cake and eat it, too, by having Rey (and perhaps Kylo) being a blood relation and Finn/Maz representing the 'new crowd' in whom the Force has also awoken. You can mine many types of conflict from that setup...
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I just hope more is revealed about who the parents the speculation is killing me.

ByAaronsBeard · Jul 4, 2015

I think we need to take into consideration J.J.'s track record with his franchises when addressing family lines in Star Wars 7. I have very little doubt that he's going to work his damndest give us all what we want with a new approach to it. Star Trek into Darkness fell into every fan service trap you could imagine but Star Trek threaded the needle so perfectly in how it rebooted and yet respected nearly 50 years of material and i can't imagine he wouldn't extend that same subtle touch to The force Awakens.

In the days of SuperShadow, one thing became abundantly clear about Star Wars plot rumours; the earliest rumors were always the ones that turned out to be true, partially because the smoke screen campaign doesn't begin immediately. The earliest rumors in this case have always posited an almost fetishistically perfect Star Wars movie that honors years of EU while telling a new story about the Skywalker clan. Rey is a Solo. Kylo Ren is probably her brother. Han probably eats it and Rey probably has to come to terms with the father she just learned was her's dying at the hands of Kylo Ren...and yes, Luke probably is only in the last scene, because how else do you justify killing Han solo than giving us Luke Skywalker five minutes later.

It has everything you could want. A hero without knowledge of a much grander past. A secret family connection. A battle between the goodest of good and evilest of evil...as well as the fact that it hits quite a few check boxes on the Joseph Campbell fill in the myth quiz.

I have faith in J.J. because, if its handled with care, the movie we've heard rumored for the longest time would be a beautiful edition to to Star Wars. (methinks) This is Star Wars dudes and dudets! This is the saga of the Skywalkers!

Kylo Samurai · Jul 4, 2015

Aufman said: ↑

Rey will be using a lightsaber in Episodes 8 and 9 while Finn does not. Rey will continue with the Skywalker legacy and rise to greatness as the next Jedi Grand Master. And yes, Rey will lose her limbs and receive cybernetic replacements that will augment her super force abilities.
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*sigh*

Grand Master Galen Marek · Jul 4, 2015

Kylo Samurai said: ↑

*sigh*
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I know the feeling, this is what I want to do if this continues.

Snazel · Jul 4, 2015

Pretty sure Disney is going to tease the lineage questions out as long as they can. The speculation is a powerful marketing tool. It's a nifty sizzle to sell the steak. There will be hints in VII, Disney wants you to come through the film and find them.

So, I wager there will be hints, throughout the film, but the lineage of Rey, Phasma, Domnhall and Finn all remain a mystery at the end of VII. If one of them spills I wager its Han's relationship to Kylo.

I think Phasma is a spy for Leia and a relative of Mon Mothma, but I'm insane and old, a combination that you should lay down and avoid whenever you encounter it on the internet.

Grand Master Galen Marek · Jul 4, 2015

Snazel said: ↑

Pretty sure Disney is going to tease the lineage questions out as long as they can. The speculation is a powerful marketing tool. It's a nifty sizzle to sell the steak. There will be hints in VII, Disney wants you to come through the film and find them.

So, I wager there will be hints, throughout the film, but the lineage of Rey, Phasma, Domnhall and Finn all remain a mystery at the end of VII. If one of them spills I wager its Han's relationship to Kylo.

I think Phasma is a spy for Leia and a relative of Mon Mothma, but I'm insane and old, a combination that you should lay down and avoid whenever you encounter it on the internet.
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Not really you made good points there, there has been a lot of speculation of Rey & Kylo's parentage, Finn & Domhall will find their purpose, Phasma being a rebel spy would be for her character all the deception will keep fans on the edge of their seats waiting for her to trip up.

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