Burning Star Wars to the ground.

Question: Did Rian intend to make a Star Wars film?

 

I whole heartedly agree with the article. This is the Star Wars movie some were not ready for. It's not the Star Wars movie some wanted, but it is the movie the franchise needed.

 

That cave scene with the reflections was such brilliant film making and visual story telling.

 

He did? I couldn’t tell because he failed SO hard

 

I want fo to rewatch this movie(And before anyone asks. I always rewatch movies, if I like them a lot to formulate a better view on them), but what I will say is that I liked this movie a lot. As someone who was burned by The Force Awakens, I had some elevated expectations, knowing Rian Johnson's pedigree and enjoying what he does.

And while I think this movie is weaker than say his other movies, like Looper, I enjoyed how it twisted the elements of SWs and basically brought forth a deconstruction. Do I think he may have been too bold? Sure. And could that subplot with Rose and Finn be better/ reworked? Yes, even though it is necessary.

But really, this was the bold direction I wanted to see this franchise take. Because, to be honest; my love of Star Wars has been dwindling. I won't spend too much time but this current era of LF movies haven't impressed me all that much. And the less I say about the NC, despite some bright spots, the better.

And this movie, while I had issues, I respected RJ for doing them and it very much felt like a finale to the trilogy. That said, I have a very sinking feeling that because of the divisive nature of this movie that LF is going to backtrack.

RJ, I love him still, but I can see his trilogy disappearing. JJ apparently put forth his pitch for Episode Nine and I might be paranoid but that can't be a coincidence. And that is a shame, because IF Star Wars goes back to what The Force Awakens is(I can appreciate it more with TLJ) and is just a rehash of ROTJ, I'm done.

I have nothing against people who want this, but for me; Star Wars for it to be great it needs to take balsy risks like this.

P.S: Much as I enjoy this movie, this film also makes me question if the LF Story Group actually do anything/ have a plan. Because, really I highly doubt it. But that's a another discussion.

 

Exactly. On my second viewing with my mother, she whispered in my ear, "Merlin's cave". Rey looks in the mirror and hopes to see her lineage, a royal lineage perhaps, parents of substance and importance, but only sees herself. A person who loses and/or is rejected by everyone she sees as parental figures. That scene had as many layers as it had reflections of Rey. We are only just uncovering what Johnson meant to say with it. I am still pondering what it all meant.

Why did you like it?

 

MoS did an ok job of deconstructing Superman, but also gave Krypton a history and referenced an immigrant story (I didn't like the flashback editing though and the finale was too much, a common complaint). The problem with BvS was they didn't earn all that deconstruction with Batman, Superman just stayed deconstructed and boring, and...Lex....oh...Lex. Also, burning the Dark Knight Returns and the Death of Superman cards in one movie...I mean.....

Star Wars is 40 years old, and it even seems Lucas wanted to deconstruct the Jedi in the prequels, to the chagrin of some fans.

It was time to deconstruct this stuff, it had grown way beyond Luke in a Death Star trench hearing voices, to evil turning good, to a hint of incest, to a virgin birth, scientific explanations of Force wielding, to witches, resurrections, to fans arguing for a decade over whether Yoda should have used a lightsaber. Fans were given a celebration of the OT with TFA, and people complained. So...it's time.

 

It showed Rey the truth, the real truth. It could have shown her parents and possibly even intended to. But the longer she stared the less that became the truth. She was never seeking her real parents and we know this because Kylo and Rey all but tell us later...."You knew, you've always known"....they merge to one. a reflection of Rey. She is what matters. Her parents were insignificant and will be. What matters in front of you and behind you, is YOU.

There are so many things to unpack from that scene. So many ways to interpret it and come to the same conclusion.
And I think that was Johnson's goal and why it works so well.

 

JJ has been working on the next film for the past few months. Him pitching the film is part of the process. So yeah, you're being paranoid. The movie is critically acclaimed and most people will like it. They're not going to make a bunch of sweeping changes because of a vocal minority.

 

Zack Snyder wishes he had an inch of the talent and ability of RJ as a filmmaker. Watchmen is his only semi decent film, and that's because of the acting and base material.

Don't compare them in that regard, Snyder is just dark and edgy for no reason and a terrible director. RJ is far more talented in both technical and character aspects than him.

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He did make a Star Wars film. But it was different.

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TLJ was the different dark to TFA familiar light.

My main problem with BvS (I didn't see the movie but watched clips on YouTube, I don't give Zack Snyder my money) is that It was stupid and badly written, all style and no substance or humanity. Also bad actors with a bad script (not because of ability of anything, they were just badly miscast and had sh*t to say).

 

But did he intend to make a Star Wars film?

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So why doesnt it feel like a Star Wars film to me?

 

The only score that matters is box office, critic, and cinemascore. All are very good. The RT score isn't scientific and it's easy to game. It's clear that those unscientific scores are being gamed by those who simply can't deal with people liking a movie that others loved.

 

The same reason why Luke can't lift the X-Wing.

His beliefs are limited to gravity and physical weight, to good and bad, when the reality is that and so much more.

 

I don't have problem with where RJ took SW.
I don't even have problem with Rey random for example (many people have problem with this), it doesn't really matter. The only minor drawback here is that what we were given in TLJ doesn't very well follow up with what was hinted in TFA (but there are bigger problems of that kind).

I have problem with how he executed the whole thing. That's regarding the already mentioned character handling which doesn't work well with what was established in previous episodes, very much dumbed down story (it heavily relies on cheap tricks to make it progress the intended way) and often dialogues, humor that's often insulting to the human intelligence, less attention to details (noticed few issues on first viewing and that usually doesn't happen to me, will have to rewatch some scenes in slow motion when possible), or that what he's done with the force may set some strong precedents for the future...

Give his ideas to someone with better sense for characters, their interactions and the story and we'd get something good.
It would really work better as standalone movie where many of those issues wouldn't matter that much.
Maybe he'll do better next time with his own trilogy

 

Agree. I wish the cave scene we're longer, though. It definitely feels like it was longer at one point.

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With this I TOTALLY agree. I loved the movie. But it's clear that they ARE making it up as they go along, and they got a great movie because of the talents of Rian. But I believe Pablo and Co. are totally useless. There has never been an overarching storyline here, it seems. It's ok for me because it's worked thus far. But despite how much I love this film, it clearly took an abrupt 180 from everything set up in TFA.

 

Because Star Wars is different for everyone. Everyone has their own interpretation on what makes a Star Wars movie. What you may feel like what a Star Wars film should be doesn't necessarily mean it would feel the same way to someone else. Heck, the Star Wars community can't even come to a general consensus on what a Star Wars movie should be. Yes it is a Star Wars movie that is looking at the bigger picture. Is it the Star Wars movie that you was wanting, NO.

 

Best analisis that I read so far.

 

All these fans saying bloodlines has everything to do with someone being special sound on awful lot like the villain of another franchise.