Burning Star Wars to the ground.

Dude...lol...I'm getting your back even though I disagree with you. You don't need to have a counter point to someone defending your right to make points lol. And before ya say it, yeah yeah... I know...you don't need anyone defending you. But whatever, I'm doing it anyways.

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@Scavenger and @Mr Hux ...call it what you will. It by proxy relates back to the central discussion about the film itself. Whatever. Jeez...ya can't even be friendly on here without someone tryin to argue with ya.

 

How about that? Jinx. Owe me a coke.

 

Seen the movie twice and it gets better and better

I'm actually shocked that this amount of people wanted to see the same old formula. Star Wars was always better than doing three movies just to build to a predictable sword fight between Wannabe Palpatine and Prodigal Skywalker #3

This gives new life to the entire saga. Proof that Star Wars can still surprise us, can still take risks, can still redefine the ideal movie villain and thus, can still be relevant cinema. The Palpatine formula was dated. The Vader formula was dated.

Star Wars is in a league of its own now, because no other franchise like it has gone so far to skewer audience expectations, to give us truly complex bad guys and to give us movie moments that are spectacular and original aside from their visual or stunt effects

To everyone struggling to deal with this break from tradition I say:

Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to

 

I joined The Cantina tonight as a result of having seen the movie now twice. I got carried away writing my personals while setting up my profile and thought I'd share it as an introduction post mortem..

I was 13 yrs old and ANH blew my mind and here I am still going strong. I'd also like to say that for me the imagery & graphics of the original Tom Jung "A" movie poster was as gob smacking original and evoking as the movie itself. I had been a Star Trek fan too and watched Time Tunnel, Lost in Space, Land of the Giants, Space 1999 etc but ANH was like nothing else. Did I mention that ANH blew my mind? I think that's what's happened last night during the premiere and Thursday's fan preview night of Last Jedi. I've seen it twice and I want to see it again despite some issues I have with the movie. I saw Seeker's review while searching for fan reactions and why I decided to join. I think the slippery bigger picture being presented by Rian Johnson is somewhat like Rey looking at that infinity of mirrors.. Luke & Kylo were both right and it's not 1977 anymore as much I want that vibe to continue. Despite it's flaws, The Last Jedi is defining and in my opinion superior to The Force Awakens in the same way Empire carried on from ANH but in a more grievous way. In Episode VII I watched Han die and now Luke's flesh is gone and Gail Ackbar was sucked out into space.. 1977 is dying off but Star Wars isn't. I think some characters were marginalized on purpose because they aren't the future. I think I read that Rian Johnson said we only need to know what he is showing us about Snoke.. I would have preferred knowing more but in the end I get it.. I think I'm suffering from a little shock & awe at the moment and it's taking time to process..

 

Welcome aboard.
I hope TLJ continues to grow on you as it as others as we face this new frontier of Star Wars together.

 

Amazing. Every word of what you just said, was wrong.

Canto was not inconsequential. It did a few things... 1) introduced BDT's character, who will no doubt play a franchise role. 2) In the context of what Rian was trying to accomplish, it deconstructed the Star Wars "infiltration/hacking" formula 3) BDT's betrayal massively upped the stakes and tension in the transporter chase, bringing the Resistance to the brink of destruction 4) Finn and Rose's romp served to light a spark in the force sensitive child, symbolic of a fire that'll spread through the galaxy

Special effects were probably as good as money can buy with current technology. Sorry if your super alien horses still aren't realistic enough for you

These aren't so much tropes as they are real things that happen, or valid perspectives from which populist movements like the Resistance thrive on. To have a problem with this is to have a fundamental problem with the Rebels. How else are you supposed to characterize a populist uprising? Furthermore, BDT's character specifically subverts the "rich = bad" idea several times, but I see you were able to conveniently ignore and just see whatever you wanted to see

This statement....wew..... it's like you never saw the original movies. Luke was Luke in this movie. Down to the cadences of his lines. You don't think running away to a hidden island and stubbornly refusing to leave is a total Luke move? You don't know Luke. You don't think trying to burn down the Jedi texts on a spur of the moment thing is a total Luke move? You don't know Luke.

Luke was never the serene or wise Jedi master. He is boyish, stubborn, oftentimes deciding on what he thinks is the most righteous course of action without thinking things through. And ever determined to follow through on that action. Whatever subtle differences exist between this Luke and the original are inevitable with aging and tragedy, anyway

Right, so ultimately, this was the anti-Marvel movie. Marvel just spent the last 5 years worth of movies building towards another "big fight" with the biggest and baddest of their generic "destroy the universe" bad guys.

Star Wars just killed its Thanos like he was nothing, and discarded that whole outdated concept in a few seconds.

But uh sure, you're entitled to your opinion

 

I have to disagree with everyone that RJ put an original spin on this movie. The Snoke/Rey/Kylo throne room scene is exactly from ROTJ. It was embarrassing to watch cause it was so blatant.

 

yeah I couldn't get completely on board with this movie

 

Language -Bosc

 

It's fine if people didn't like the film. However, the effort to attempt others to hate it by going overboard is tiring. Embarrassing? Get a grip.

 

The elevator scene is shot and framed to be just like it. That is true. But everything else about it is a subversion of the scene in ROTJ.

 

Overboard, it is a blatant ripoff of the ROTJ throne room scene it’s embarrassing to watch. How is my post wrong?

 

How can others force you to hate it? You should make your own mind on whether you like the movie or not. Not everyone liked the movie and we want to discuss what we didn't like about it, we are not trying to convert you to the dark side or anything of the sort...

 

She's also an incredibly dull character with no emotional core of any kind to her story, no matter how much this trilogy's creators try to contrive one for her. Besides, when did she ever state that she wanted her family to be someone super-duper special? At no point was this an element of her character in The Force Awakens and it suddenly appears here for no reason other than to drive the plot forward.

 

Because it's a blatant subversion of the ROTJ scene. Vader loses, Kylo wins. Luke wins, Rey loses.
Vader kills the Emperor and turns good.
Kylo kills the Supreme Leader and takes his place.
Luke and Vader battle.
Kylo and Rey work together.

 

No one is going to change my mind about what I think of the film, but I do find the hyperbole perplexing. Phrases like "worst ever," "embarrassing," and "rip off" aren't valid critiques of the film. I think AOTC is a pretty bad Star Wars movie, but I wouldn't go as far as call it embarrassing. It even has a shot for shot homage to the Searchers during Sand People scene and I wouldn't call it a rip off.

If a person is going online to rant about a film they didn't like I'm not sure I understand the need for hyperbole unless they're hoping to change other people's minds.

 

Jokes that fell flat, plot lines that made no sense and ridiculous new characters is not cleaning out the garden. That is sh!t movie making.

My god, the Leia space walk was worse than any seen with Jar Jar. That burned something to the ground.

By the way that whole article reeks of paid off damage control propaganda.

 

People feel very strongly about things they love, many people have felt in love with star wars over the years and they have certain expectations about the new movies, we have already seen this after the prequels.

 

I think I've learned a variety of things from my experiences online regarding this film:

1. Harry Potter and its fanbase continue to suck.

2. Those who like TLJ and the sequel trilogy in general will resort to armchair psychology and blatant strawmen in order to discredit people who are critical of their tastes.

3. The people who think this trilogy is a perfect continuation of the saga don't realize that it's just regurgitating the same exact themes and topics that have been explored in a far more comprehensive and compelling fashion in both the original and prequel trilogy with more interesting characters and settings. They are OK with redundancy because they revel in the hype and not in the artistry.

Some of you will think that this post is inflammatory but when you start accusing people who didn't like a film of being for war, superiority of nobility and aristocracy, all bets are off and you are a hypocrite.