Burning Star Wars to the ground.

He tweeted it but he deleted all of his earlier tweets recently. I love Pablo Hidalgo, every fan should aspire to be like him

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Yea I’ve always said the prequels had a great story, great world building but the execution is what it is. But you know what? I love the Clone Wars, I think that show is bloody brilliant

 

I’m really confused by this line of thinking. Isn’t FO/TLJ just a remake/remix of the OT? An orphan that strong with this Force, rises under coincidental circumstances to fight a dangerous masked man that’s led by an emperor. Along the way, that young Force user meets a mysterious mentor who dies after imparting some wisdom.

We leave TLJ almost exactly as we did ESB. The rebellion loses and was betrayed by Lando/DJ. Hero loses a lightsaber. Will have to make another.

I see no innovation. 9 will pick up a few months or years later, our hero will be stronger in the force and will eventually face the masked enemy, redeeming him in the end and saving the galaxy.

It’s almost best for beat the same. I almost expect the First Order to be constructing another Death Star as we open 9.

It’s an infinite loop of Jedi vs sith. Rebels vs empire. Nothing is changed. There’s even a Skywalker son in the lead role. Kylo is the grandson of the patriarch of the Skywalker family. I’m sure they’ll figure a way to keep that name front and center.

 

I've always preferred the Clone Wars multimedia project to TCW. It expanded on all the characters to a greater extent than the show ever could.

 

RO + TLJ did enough to kill the pure repetition of TFA that at least there's an avenue out. If it had copied ESB exactly, setting up a remake of RotJ, I wouldn't be at all optimistic. But since the two "experimental" SW movies were so successful, I think there's a better chance of escaping that trap. TLJ is more important for the paths it cuts off than for the path it blazes -- still, it was a quantum leap beyond TFA. If there's another "Rebels Vs. Space Nazis" trilogy I'll just opt out for good -- as it is, I don't feel a need to see IX. I went into TFA blind -- didn't look at trailers, posters, anything and I was bitterly disappointed. I came to VIII because I loved RO. But after 40 years of this I'm starting to fade on SW movies -- I thought TLJ was a great note for me to go out on -- and I'll finish Rebels 'cause I love Filoni and there's only a few eps left. If they do anything that looks really amazing with the movies, like jump 100 years forward and come up with a really fresh storyline, I'll check it out, I'll always be a fan, but at least they know they can deviate from the pure OT-copy model and still be successful.

I'm more interested to see if Lucasfilm produces non-SW films in the future....maybe a GL movie!

 

I’m almost at that point. So, you think 9 picks up as a beat for beat remake of ROTJ? Rey fights Kylo in the end and redeems him? Finn, Poe and the gang lead some assault on a new super weapon. It ends with fireworks as the FO crumbles.

 

So, obviously there are people who really like the film (cool) and people who really don't like the film (also cool). But, what's not cool is straw-manning people you don't agree with in order to dismiss their view. What I mean is, a lot of people who like the film are saying people who don't like the film just can't handle change or didn't get what they want like a spoiled child. But, that completely disregards the fact that, a lot of this movie, simply put, is not well made or does not make sense.

That is what most of the complainers are complaining about. The Canto Bight plot was poorly executed and unimportant. The circumstances around the slow space chase do not ... make any sense. Shoe-horning in something like Maz and trying to make her look super-cool-bad-ass at the same time? These are all poor decisions and valid criticisms. None of which have anything to do with what "traditional" Star Wars would have done or with people getting "what they want."

"What we want" is a good movie - all of us. The people who like it and the people who don't like it. We all just want a good movie. If people thought this was a good movie, cool. But if they don't think it's a good movie, at least listen to them with an open mind. Like, even people who love the movie, I don't really hear them saying "oh man! Canto Bight was my favorite part!" or "wasn't it so clever how the First Order never thought to call in more ships?" or "wasn't Maz' cameo so cool!?"

... also, hi, glad to be here ;-)

 

What really threw me for a loop was why it never occurred to the First Order's fleet to scramble fighters that could catch up and further wound the Resistance cruiser. I mean, that's the purpose of them in this exact situation. There has always been a massive problem with scale in this trilogy that has yet to be ameliorated.

 

I agree. But my biggest problem this weekend has been people saying how inventive and groundbreaking and new TLJ was.

It just wasn’t. The surprises (Snoke death, Yoda, Luke makes ridiculous hologram) weren’t groundbreaking. And they didn’t really affect the bones of this story. It’s still heading inevitably toward a conclusion we can all see coming from two years away. Rey v Kylo. Rebels v Empire. Rebels win, rey wins. Kylo redeemed at the end. So predictable and literally devalues everything that came before it. Because the OT means less knowing that there will be an infinite loop or orphaned heroes who defeat the bad guy in black.

 

That was EXACTLY my issue. I mean, I feel like they also could have called in more big ships to simply warp in and surround them. But, let's say that's off the table for some reason, why not just send every fighter you've got?!?! They give some lame excuse early on where they call back the fighters and say "we can't cover you at that distance." ..... who cares??? Since when would the First Order care about the lives of some fighters?? Send 800 fighters out and if 800 die taking out the Resistance, who in the FO would complain?? Even the fighters themselves would likely be happy to die for the cause (perhaps cuz of the mental programming, but, *ahem* either way!).

So yea, that bugged me so much. That is the kind of thing that I didn't like about the movie, important, vital, crucial plot points that just make zero sense. That's a problem.

 

That is sadly a recurring trend with modern writers, they amount of crappy scripts with no coherence or consistency and full of plot holes is becoming the norm lately.

 

I completely agree. I mean, the Marvel movies suffer from this to some degree, but, I thought Star Wars would be held to a higher standard.

 

I also think it just dawned on me how much I hate the idea of Jedi Exile. And that Luke was participating in that cowardly act makes me so sad. There’s no point to exile. It’s utter cowardice. You get your ass kicked and run away. Like accomokished nothing on the island. He says he wants the Jedi to end and that’s why he’s in the island, but could they have ended just as well with him fighting Snoke. At meat he goes out fighting. Plus, he of all people should know that he doesn’t get to choose when the Jedi end. His father was literally conceived by the force to become a Jedi. I can’t believe how worthless his island trip was.