Burning Star Wars to the ground.

Fair enough.

 

Show me one person saying that. You clearly do not understand the misgivings some of us have regarding Rey's origin.

 

Force Awakens showed her parents left her with Plutt not something Dad of the Year would do so it is not like this is coming out of nowhere. Rey's past is not important. That is the whole point. Her morals and choices make her the heir to the Jedi not her lineage.

 

And that's where we don't agree, Rey so far has demonstrated an affinity with the force far superior to even Anakin, for the sake of consistency within the saga this needs to be addressed as either she being of Skywalker descent or another Anakin 2.0.

This is not about bloodlines being important for any jedi or hero but for for someone who displays the extraordinary abilities of Rey.

 

A terrible and lazy way to destroy an iconic character. They did it with Batman vs Superman and they did it again with The Last Jedi for Luke.

 

Once again you are missing what is clearly stated in the Force Awakens. She is chosen by the force and she is the "Awakening" that Snoke and Ren feel. She is chosen because she is to be the light side warrior to match the ever growing darkness. Shimi was not anyone special but she was chosen by the Force to father the Chosen One. The Force is immensely more complicated than a family tree.

 

Was she picked before or after her birth?

 

She says it's always been there in the film so I think the force chose her because she was downtrodden and yet was able to keep her spirits and her willingness to see the good in others such as believing her parents would return for her despite being scum and seeing the light in Ben. Hallmarks of a true Jedi.

 

You are missing my point, Anakin was not the son of Schmi and some random dude from Tatooine and later "awakened" to be some vergence in the force, he was conceived by the force itself. What I'm arguing is that for the sake of consistency the force needs to act in a certain way.

 

So you dont know when and why the Force picked her?

 

You are right Shimi was a vessel of the Force. No one special but selected nonetheless. It is the same with Rey. So the Force does seem to be acting in a certain way. Calling people we would call not special and give them a higher purpose. Seems consistent to me.

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On the contrary I have answers for both of those questions. Why? She proved in two movies she has the incorruptible spirit of true Jedi. When? She says it has "always been there" so the Force selected her from birth.

 

Re thread title: Where's Yoda with his awesome force lightning when you need him?

 

I concur. The Story group as far as I am concerned lost a lot of trust in my view. It is clear that Star Wars wishes to be like Marvel. And if anyone disagrees, you are kidding yourself. But if they truly want to be like that, then they need to be tighter with their continuity. Have their actors at the very least, be aware of the new canon. Be better of implementing the canon into their movies. Obviously, don't go overboard, but really there should be a way they can do this so as to both appeal to casual movie fans and those hardcore fans who keep up with the canon.

But yeah, thanks to The Last Jedi: I'm officially a pseudo- hardcore fan. As in, I pick up whatever fancies me, but I'm no longer interested in following it. Not if, investing in it yields nothing due to the movies isolating themselves on an island. RO is the only exception.

 

Is this headcanon or canon?

 

You can disagree with me of course but you are not addressing the difference, as you said the force chose Schmi to carry Anakin, it didn't choose Anakin after he was born, that's the inconsistency.

 

It is my understanding of things said and seen in the movie.

 

So Rey was incorruptible from birth and was therefore picked by the Force?

 

Why do I have to address the difference? That is your point not mine. My only point was that the Force has chosen ordinary people to do great things in the past. So Rey from Nowhere lines up in my mind with things the Force has done before.

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Yes. As JJ has said she was the Awakening of the Light and Ren was to be the Awakening of the Dark side. Leia even felt the pull of the darkside for her son in the womb.

 

TLJ isn't as divisive as most posters make it out to be. The general public (REAL general public, not flamers) loved the film. RJ's trilogy is safe, and I am really looking forward to it BECAUSE of TLJ.

I've seen it twice now and both times the audience cheered. Maybe (probably) they drowned out the mom's-basement-dwellers, but everyone seemed to have fun.

 

You must be kidding me... That's the whole point of what we are discussing, there is nothing ordinary about Anakin's origins, it completely "extraordinary", there were not many people that were conceived by the force itself, with no father.