Has your TLJ opinion changed dramatically over time?

I'll watch that.

 

but this show would have the shadow of how terrible it went down for the OT3 and especially Luke later. Nothing I look forward to watch right now to be honest. Sadly.

 

TCW worked a little better since fans were not invested in these characters for 30+ years. But if such a series will ever see the light of day, I'm quite sure Luke, Han and Leia will be background characters and only appear from time to time. The focus will be younger characters again.

 

And this is how it should be. A series about new characters featuring the OT + Ben and Snoke would be interesting. But the focus should remain on the new characters. The story about Luke and Ben should be saved for an adult novel though.

I don't get why some people always want to see the same old characters. Luke Skywalker already had his run. Let new characters become the Luke Skywalker for new generations.

 

Not at all... I loved the movie at the premiere and I still do. I had little issues with pacing and yeah, I desperately wanted more Snoke and such, but frankly I was amazed in the cinema, that it really wasn't what I expected and that it was different formula. We had OT, Force Awakens was fun and huge nostalgia ride, but didn't add much when you watch it on SW Marathon. Prequels had lot of backstories, which spoiled fans with Emperor's backstory even tough fans are dissing the movies a lot and yeah, it is pain to watch trough the romantic plot in Episode II for me as well, not to mention Jar Jar (but as a kid, I didn't mind him that much).
I was little unsatisfied with Snoke being another Emperor and First Order being another Empire, just more advanced, but with same designs. With lot of outside material, it makes little more sense now and I was kinda happy with Snoke's demise and the failed redemption of Kylo Ren. It could've been another rethread, but hell yeah! And I actually like this idea, that force maintains itself in ballance and for each strong light or darksider, there is someone born with opposite power and that it can be anyone. It makes sense, that you have the force in your bloodline, but now, we actually see it being born anew in people in the galaxy.
Clone Wars hinted on this as well, as the Force Sensitive children that Sidious wanted and were recruited by Jedi, had normal parents.
I am more fan of Snoke being powerful force user from Unknown Regions and not Plagueis. I am in the camp, that Emperor also didn't had much backstory to begin with, before Episode I, when I was a kid and had only the OT. He was just this powerful hooded figure on top of the Empire.

 

The new show could flesh out the "terribleness" of the OT3 and make it more "believable". I mean it worked with TCW with Anikan's character and made him more tolerable in the PT. I just hope they don't put the new show on DisneyXD. That's what held back SW Rebels.

 

Really? I'm interested in knowing what went on between 6 and 7 so I'd watch that.

 

It's not 100% confirmed but it's very likly to happen based on the ending of Rebels and the whole trademark for a future show that has the name of "Resistance"

 

What a great idea. Let's have a whole TV series just to justify a terrible film. Again. Why do SW fans have to put up with this?

How about: get some writers in here that understand SW and have some real world-building and story. Disney was so eager to take people's money they've ruined the Saga. They should have just started with solo films until they had time to really do things right.

 

everyone has a formula to make a good Star Wars film... goto film skool, move to Hollywood and give it a go... wait, let me spare you the headache... its impossible to make a good Star Wars film, anyone with half a brain knows that, you will never please everyone, making a good film, let alone a good Star Wars film is near impossible, and when it is done, people try and try again, fail and fail again; for example, Jurassic Park why are they still making those movies???

 

I am a writer. Making a good SW film is easy. And it's been done before.

All it requires is LFL focusing on the story, not bringing in people to do whatever they want.

 

what kind of writer are you? and why aren't you working for LFL? they need someone like you who can easily make a good Star Wars film...LMFAO

 

Super easy. Like the prequels...

 

In a month I'll be finished with my PhD in Literature and Fiction Writing, and I teach creative writing at a university, and I've been published in a number of literary journals. My work is more avant garde than anything we see in genre entertainment, but I began as a fan of genre. So yes I know how easy it is to write a good story.

First and most importantly, you have to understand character. If you begin there and do that well, everything else follows organically. While SW has mythical and parabolic elements, it also has established characters that should be treated with care. Instead, Rian came up with an extrinsic theme, failure, and inserted it into Luke's head, completely ignoring where the story left us in E6, and instead reversing Luke's internal position back to E5. It was a poor choice and devastating for the Skywalker story.

I mention above how I would have handled Luke. Would I ever apply for LFL? Maybe. They certainly need more people there willing to defend their established characters. But genre entertainment, commodity art, isn't supposed to be my thing.

 

Well, I really hope you apply, the reason I bought Luke's position in TLJ is simply because people change over the years they don't stay stagnant. I'm sure there are literary devises that would keep Luke's character the same as he was in ROTJ, but for some reason it sounds rather cliche, I was a language and Literature major until I changed my major to illustration, anywho would love your feedback.

 

It's so easy, a caveman can do it!

 

If Palps survived the Death Star, I'm quite sure fans would have loved to see him having a duck farm and giving free hugs to gungans on Naboo.

People change, it is OK.

 

Thanks, but this is nothing I want to watch onscreen or read in any novel.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 3, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 3, 2018 ---

I see your point, but I disagree after how things went down with TLJ and after waiting 30+ years to see these stories of our beloved characters.

 

If you read my post on page 5, I explain how I would have handled Luke in more detail. I never said Luke should stay the same for 30 years, so I'm not sure why you assume that (this is a false claim TLJ supporters can't help but repeat). I've said that the starting point for Luke's character arc is ROTJ, not ESB, big difference. The last time we see Luke before TFA, he's changed internally and grown wiser. That's where you begin when you start imagining how he developed over the next 30 years. And according to the NEU, Luke mainly spent the next 30 years learning more and growing wiser. What we see in TLJ doesn't correspond with any of this. If Luke must fail for the sake of Rian and JJ's story, it's preferable to develop characteristics that are intrinsic to where we left him in ROTJ, aspects that could logically develop over 30 years. For example, the pivotal moment where Luke throws his lightsaber down in an act of love and compassion for his father. This was a strength then, but 30 years later it could be a weakness that allows the First Order and Kylo to rise: Luke's more spiritual and defensive approach to the Jedi. Instead, Rian goes for the lazy, backsliding cliche that ignores Luke's growth in ROTJ: his problem with fear in ESB.

This lack of attention to detail and character arc shows a lack of interest in the story.