RUMOR I broke the recent news on MvS's character. Let's discuss.

So you're speculating that the film will include, to an extent, the vilification of Vader by Kylo and attempts to clear his name (to an extend) by others? That would work, I've speculated something similar myself in the ST forum. Still, someone has to know who he really is. Do you think he'll be a sympathetic character, misguided, or is he Uber's pawn?....

 

Interesting.

I'm not sure about the Ren line of thought.

If you want to pretend to be Vader why come up with a new look? That's my question from a narrative and marketing question. Vader's look is iconic. Why change.

 

We are too small an operation to be considered a threat by the Mickey Empire haha

I fully agree with your theories on Kylo Ren, and honestly we've had some rumors here and there concerning Vader's appearance in VII so who knows how that turns up.

As for Plagueis I am of the party that can foresee him in the film but I'm not placing bets here or there on the matter, and there is already a Kylo Ren Solo bet going on guys! I know cause I made it (of course)

Also I chose not to report on the Finn being moved to Kylo's squad thing because I didn't consider it that important of a detail to add to what we already know. You feel it is something vital? We already know Finn sees something that causes him to go AWOL

Imagine Kylo's disappointment in find Vader's old armor burned

"Guess I will just wear this mask and hope nobody notices the difference"

Think of the whole fact that very few people probably knew what Vader looked like

 

Shoot you can explain that in an opening crawl

"...Under the command of the mysterious KYLO REN who claims to be the infamous DARTH VADER himself..."

 

I've proposed the idea before of Kylo Ren as a pawn. Promised all this power and training by Uber who is just using him to get to Rey. Think Count Dooku type figure

 

Just had an Uber-revelation (no pun intended!!!) about how the plot of the film may go down that might explain how multiple things work (This is about to be mostly fan-fiction).



The movie starts out with an invasion of Jakku by Kylo Ren and his legion of the 1st Order to excavate the remains of the planet. In this process Poe Dameron is captured (BB8 also captured). He was on the planet investigating and Kylo claims him a spy of the resistance. Many innocent people are killed. Finn comes to a realization he can no longer be a trooper anymore.

Kylo and his troops return to the Star Destroyer where they place Poe captive. It is here that I think something dramatic we haven't thought about happens. Finn and his friend enter Kylo's chamber and find out that Kylo is NOT Darth Vader (We don't see his face though. It is revealed in some other way). He is a fraud! That is why the attack on he Star Destroyer happens. He doesn't want anybody knowing he is a fraud. If they live his secret is revealed! He kills Finn's friend in the process. But Finn escapes. How you ask?

It is revealed that Finn is force-sensitive here. Luke's lightsaber is an artifact in Kylo's collection and Finn uses the force and the lightsaber to escape from Kylo. Poe sees the Finn with the lightsaber, freaks out and says he can help Finn. But they have to get to Poe's X-Wing on the planet (X-Wings have hyperdrives, TIEs do not). Finn frees Poe and BB8 and they head back to the planet. They crash-land on the planet. Somehow Finn and BB8 and Poe separate (I think people think that Finn thinks Poe died in the crash) and Finn walks the desert. Finn is found by Ridley and brought back to Rose and Vicer. It is revealed what Finn's weapon is and Kylo's Secret and that Rey, Finn, BB8, and Rose must journey to find the Resistance (Leia) and deliver her the lightsaber as well as deliver the news on Kylo NOT being Vader.

Meanwhile Kylo wants Finn dead because Finn knows his truth as well as Finn has Force Powers and could change the balance in his gain for power among systems.
Rey, Finn, BB8, and Rose find the Falcon and Poe (not sure how yet) and fly off for the Resistance.

 

Maybe Kylo Ren himself didn't know exactly what Darth Vader looked like when he designed his knockoff suit.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/film/fil...ars-episode-vii-adam-driver-casting-jj-abrams

But we've been aware that Driver is the villain for a while. If they are looking for a big revelation in 8, it's not gonna happen.

I don't see what would be gained by claiming to be Vader. Force powers speak for themselves.

 

It's a figure to rally around of course

While I know with the entirety of my heart Adam Driver is Kylo Ren and the main villain tell that to the hordes of "it's Gleeson!" Or "It's Christie!" Or even the "it's Pip Anderson!" People

 

They'd have to make Vader a hero of some sort, a figurehead. They could do this by further discrediting the Jedi and hailing Vader as the man who helped drive them into extinction, or by going public with Vader's true identity: Anakin, the Chosen One.

Question is: does Kylo know exactly who he's imitating? Does he want to be Vader because of the respect/presence he commanded, or does he want to be Vader because of who Anakin was?

The answer to this will tell us a great deal about how much the PT matters to the overall saga. If Kylo wants to be Vader and doesn't care who Vader was prior to his fall, then we can safely assume JJ/Disney don't value the PT....

 

I don't think the fact Anakin was Darth Vader became anything close to public knowledge. Tarkin didn't even know Vader was Anakin, and Luke and Leia had nothing to gain but everything to lose in revealing their relation to one of the most hated and feared figures of the Empire

 

But it's been suggested that Kylo is obsessed with Vader. If that's the case (it may not be), he might know more than the average Joe. Uber may know more, too--not that we know for certain there's a connection between Kylo and Uber to begin with (or at any other point).

There would have been Clone Troops who knew though, surely? Anakin was already going by the name Vader when he sacked the Jedi Temple. And the Clones would've needed an explanation of why he wasn't to be destroyed in Order 66 along with the other Jedi.

You raise a good point, however: Anakin was a war hero and if the galaxy at large didn't know he became Vader I wonder how his disappearance was explained &or his loss mourned....

 

This whole Kylo Ren pretending to be Vader makes zero sense guys.

I mean c'mon what's he going to do, walk around and pretend to breath like he's wearing a scuba mask too?

Not to mention they look nothing alike. You'd think he'd at least make the effort by wearing all black and sporting a cape if he wanted to be a Vader poser.

To me it would make way more sense if Kylo sold himself as Vaders heir by claiming to be an apprentice or family member.

 

Thoughts on MVS? Veers? Fett?

 

in the Tarkin novel it's hinted that he does know Vader is Anakin