SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

"Phantasms pursue her. She dreams of Han, dead in the snow. She dreams of poor Chewie in a cage somewhere. She dreams of herself on a table, dying as her child—no, children—are born. Then comes a vision of Luke, lost among the stars, searching for something and failing, never returning. She dreams of being lost in a forest, and then of being lost inside the Death Star—she and Luke and Han are fleeing stormtroopers, trying desperately to get back to the Falcon after Obi-Wan powers down the tractor beam controls, but now she knows the dread truth: He failed, he died, and the ship is still anchored there, and even if they could find their way out of the tangle of passages, they’ll never escape…"

Leia's dream in the book Life Debt....for all the talk of how Bloodline supposedly rules out 2 Solo kids...

Why has nobody mentioned before that in Life Debt Leia has a dream where she sees 2 children...in fact, to the point of correction where she first saw one child and then clarifies two? In the same dream where Han dies on a snow planet and Luke goes missing among the stars?

Now, it's true that some of her dream hasn't come to pass...but that's a darn important potential plot point!

 

"She dreams of herself on a table, dying as her child—no, children—are born."

Han wasn't "dead in the snow," Ben and Rey aren't twins, and Leia isn't dead. This is obviously Leia having a vision of her mother. We know Luke is looking for something so that's not the much of a revelation.

 

It is worth examining.

Visions in the Force are distorted. We know this. There's a distorted truth in them and symbolism.

Luke didn't really chop Vader's head off and find out it was his own head.

Rey didn't get surprised by a masked Kylo Ren from behind a rock in the Starkiller Forest.

And then there's the dreams of Force-sensitives. What they reveal and what is distorted about the past and the future.

 

It was a dream. It was all a dream.

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure there is snow on Starkiller base. Like, a lot. Like...the whole planet is covered with it.

Anakin's first vision of Padme's death had her saying "Anakin, help me!" and then it changed to having Obi-wan in it the 2nd time...

Looking at the quote, you could make the case for:

1.) Han dead in the snow? Check. Died on a snow planet at least.
2.) Leia had twins? Sort of, if Rey is revealed to be her daughter.
3.) Luke was lost among the stars searching for something? Check. This is completely confirmed by TFA.
4.) Leia dying? Well, not yet. We are only 1 movie in...

In reality, it's just a small portion of a book...I'm not saying it proves anything at all.

But I do find it very interesting that all this attention is given to Bloodline when we have another cannon novel that actually tells at one point Leia dreamed of having 2 children, long before her first was ever born...

That's cannon now.

Does it mean anything? We'll see I guess...

 

Obviously, you're desperate for anything that makes Rey part of the Skywalker family. I get it.

Bloodline is an entire book about Leia's family. A short vision about Leia's mother dying in child birth in another book isn't as revealing. Many planets have snow. Han didn't die in the snow.

p.s. it's "canon" not "cannon."

 

maybe she's sensing that her son will kill her in the end, hence the dying during child birth?

honestly though, i think @DailyPlunge is right, this is probably a reference to Padme's death.

still, it is an interesting little tidbit i'd never heard before!

 

You are dismissive and rude. You and Bandini pull this thread down every time you post...

That said, you don't know it's a vision of Padme's death...you just want it to be. You are desperate for anything to make Rey not a part of the Skywalker family. I get it.

Han died on a planet full of snow. It was not in the snow itself that he died, but it was on one of 2 planets of snow we've ever been shown in the films. You are just twisting semantics here, because a novel was written after TFA but before VIII that could (or could not) have clues and that her little dream in that book points to several things (including Luke's Jedi search) and one of them is the idea that she might have had 2 kids...and you don't like that idea.

Thanks for the spelling clarification as well, jerk.

Man - you guys ruin good discussion for everybody...flagged.

 

Dreams don't come to pass. They're just dreams. Stuff gets jumbled around. They have to be interpretted, not read.

 

I don't have a strong emotional opinion about Rey. At least not strong enough to call people silly names like "jerks" or "rude." I'm sorry you find my well reasoned opinion so objectionable.

 

Watching as an impartial observer in this debate, while I don't think calling you a jerk is necessary, you are being unnecessarily snarky in your replies. It's possible to disagree in a more agreeable manner so to speak. Calling @Jedihopper desperate for his point of view certainly isn't a way to encourage friendly debate.

I noticed the dream in Life Debt as well and was struck by it too, not because it's some kind of smoking gun, but rather, because it seems like something LucasFilm allowed into the book to further the debate and tease the fans. I'm personally against the Rey Solo idea, but I wouldn't say that your interpretation of the dream is authoritative either, it's left purposefully ambiguous really.

 

And Luke dreamed of his friends in danger on Cloud City and Anakin of his wife's death during childbirth. As Yoda said, "always in motion the future is"; you are only shown a potential version of the future. Was Padme's death exactly the same way it was presented in Anakin's dreams? No, and Luke's friends were only ever in danger because he chose to travel to Cloud City. As you said yourself, visions change over time as the potential future does.

Also, remember that much of the Leia material outside the films have focused on force visions of her mother.

 

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, but I have to agree to disagree with you on this point. There is some form of desperation in taking the iconic image of Padmé dying while delivering twins and trying to apply it Leia having twins or something. Plus, using that vision to imply that it's as important as Bloodline to me just doesn't add up.

 

I don't think it's as important as Bloodline either, but I do think the Story Group knew that that particular bit was going to arouse interest in fans for sure. Reading the passage myself, it seemed thoroughly ambiguous to me, open to a number of interpretations. I suspect this is just how the people at LucasFilm want it . As I've said before though, I don't really like the idea of Rey Solo, so I'm definitely not leaning towards the dream having that particular significance.

 

I'm with Daisy on this one

http://screencrush.com/daisy-ridley-rey-parents-not-important/

 

I frankly don't trust what any of the actors say one way or the other on this one, whether what they say agrees or disagrees with our preferred theories. I think it's unlikely that any hard proof one way or the other is going to come from the actors involved in the film. They will say what they are paid to say.

 

Daisy Ridley: “And so to me, it’s funny that people think [Rey’s lineage] is so important, because I guess it is. But I don’t really think it is because regardless of where you come from, where you go is the thing…you’re moving forward, and you can make a family; you can find people who you love. And so I think the progression that Rey is making and the people she’s meeting and the relationships she’s making now are kind of more important than where she comes from, but that’s just me.” (April 10, 2016) (video)

Daisy Ridley: “Yeah [I’ve had media training], but that was also because I didn’t know what I was allowed to talk about. And also, ha ha, my media training, I had to watch it back, it was so cringe. Someone said, ‘So, can you tell us anything about the film?’ I was like: ‘No.’ They were like, ‘Yeah, you can’t do that…’ (Glamour UK magazine January 2016)

Colin Trevorrow: “I’ve seen all of the theories. I have to practice how to answer these questions.” “We’re going to make sure that that answer [of Rey’s lineage] is deeply and profoundly satisfying.” “Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens, but in the entire galaxy.” “She deserves it. We’ll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was something that happened a long time ago, far away, and we’re just telling you what happened.” “I love Rey. But I love her. And I love what she represents in that universe and where we can take her. It’s pretty incredible.” “By the time we get to Episode IX, I look at that movie as one movie, as three movies, as six movies, and as nine movies. It’s something that needs to honor a story that has been told over a period of 40 years.” (January 12, 2016)

Rey's parents (family) are important because they are Rey's motivation in the movie and they are a secret unlike Poe's parents who are irrelevant and random.

At least Mark Hamill has the decency to remind people: 'we're under contract and are professional liars.'

Mark Hamill: “Look at all your expectant faces, just filled with hope and optimism. You make all this effort to come today… to just hear one little factoid about a movie I’m contractually forbidden to talk about. Isn’t that funny? <laugh> I can’t talk about it!” “You should know by now; don’t believe a word I say. I’m a professional liar. I get paid for making stuff up and pretending. Why would anyone believe me?” (September 2, 2016 – September 2, 2016)

 

Mic drop.