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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  2. No

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  3. Undecided

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  1. Bandini

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    I'm still on the dark side theory :D

    Having Kylo and Rey as cousins will turn the galaxy in a sitcom.
     
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    If anything, her being his daughter makes for a new and potentially interesting dynamic. We've done the traditional student/apprentice dynamic, TWICE over TWO trilogies. Been there done that basically. What we haven't done, is to have a parent/child Jedi dynamic. And it'd be an interesting one if done well.

    Plus the problem with making her parents completely random, potentially, is that the audience has no emotional connection with them. We've never seen them before, they've never been referenced or hinted at, or anything like that, and the audience has no real reason to care about them or their fates as of yet. And if they're already dead, then there's even less so since they weren't apparently important enough to leave alive for the first movie even. So you need to build that connection from scratch, especially since REY doesn't know them herself either, and if that's the case, then they made it all the harder by essentially wasting the entire first movie. Because they told or showed us NOTHING related to these random parents. And if they say, wait until half way or even 2/3 of the way through Episode VIII in order to get to that, then instead of three movies to do this, you have like ONE, maybe one and a half. And given that there will most likely be multiple other plotlines/arcs that need resolved as well, you've made your job even harder still.

    So basically I think that if they wanted to make her "Random," then doing it the way that they did in TFA was a mistake on their parts.

    And really comparing it to Luke and Vader is, flimsy right now. It's a very different situation.
     
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    I thought the way that Star Wars Rebels handled the Ezra's parents storyline was completely terrible.
     
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    Yeah they could have done that better. And ironically, that's also proof of what could go wrong with the "Random" idea, if they don't execute it well.
     
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    Let me say why:
    one episode, all of a sudden, hey we found Ezra's parents! Oh, and they were alive during all of the last season but they were in space jail and we didn't show them! Uh oh, by the way, they were killed off off-screen! And now they visit Ezra as Force ghosts or some crap that is not explained very well or fit the canon. Oh well.
     
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    Funny, I don't recall every waking moment of her life being video taped and put on the internet, but I do recall page after page of baseless speculation and far-fetched theories based on over-analyzing the most minute details over and over again.
     
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    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Ok.
     
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    Interesting point. This mind interrogation seems to work on the strong-minded unlike previous mind tricks.
    I agree and assume her to be a Skywalker too at this stage. But I do think the contrarians have a solid point when they mention how many heavily featured characters in the soap opera and promotional materials aren't Skywalkers.
     
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    I've said this in another thread a few minutes ago but keep Luke Skywalker "Luke Skywalker" and go that deep into him as I believe that we should be making a NEW character like that in the future without being so crazy about it .
     
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    Thank you Moral Hazard :).
     
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    I can't understand what he's getting at half the time, but the past hour he seems to indicate that the person Rey was waiting for on Jakku is not Han or Luke. That Maz wouldn't say that the person she's waiting is never coming back when he could be upstairs (Han) and it can't be Luke because she was talking about two different people, one who is not coming back (Rey's parents?) and one who might (Luke).
     
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    The whole conversation has kind of degenerated into gibberish. I can barely comprehend what he's trying to say and not say. I'm trying to think of a way to make a note of it without messing it up.

    Pablo Hidalgo: "I think what Maz says to Rey about the belonging she seeks says a lot. But I guess that requires believing Maz." (March 4, 2016) "And that the person she's waiting for is never coming back. Would it make sense if Maz meant someone who's upstairs?" (March 4, 2016) "Oh, I was addressing Daisy's claim of it being obvious...." (March 4, 2016) "But, as far as Luke goes, Maz says the person she's waiting for is never coming back. But there is one who still might." (March 4, 2016) "So, yeah, two separate people in Maz's words." (March 4, 2016) ) "[is this person never coming back or ?] Maz seems to think that. How much weight do you give her words?" (March 5, 2016)

    The only thing I think we're supposed to get is that Maz is trying to convince Rey that her ultimate belonging has nothing to do with family, it's instead with the Jedi. The Jedi are where she belongs. That's why Rey goes to Luke at the end of the movie instead of running back to Jakku to wait for her family.
     
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    And Pablo said something to the effect of...if we even believe Maz. So I think it's likely that Maz doesn't even know who Rey's parents are. Nor does she care. But she's encouraging her to follow the path of the jedi.
     
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    Something just struck me regarding Daisy's comments...

    She was pretty vocal in saying that there would be an answer to her origins in The Force Awakens. She was quite explicit. It was also pretty obvious how she wasn't Han and Leia's daughter. She essentially confirmed that herself. So the question is, why was she so sure that her parentage was going to be revealed in TFA when, at first sight, it wasn't?

    I believe TFA does answer the question - especially when taking into account her "solitary" quote which even she later dismisses as having anything to do with being a Solo.

    The only answer we are provided with AT ALL in TFA regarding her parents comes from Maz Kanata:

    "Whomever you are waiting for...they're never coming back".

    Rey's emotional response seem to clarify this - she knows they are not coming back, deep down. Now Daisy refers to herself as solitary and says that this pretty much explains what it is all about. This to me, along with Maz's line, clarifies one thing - that Rey is an orphan. Her parents are dead. This is why Daisy thought TFA would clear it up - to her it was an obvious thing, that her parents weren't around and this is the basis of Rey's origins and character. She's talking about the bigger picture. Daisy at this point didn't really reveal anything about her character. So to say that she is "solitary", alone on Jakku and essentially an orphan is a pretty big deal. That is her character. Laid bare.

    Now it might be that Daisy hasn't been informed of the whole story. Maybe she has been told that her parents died but in fact one or both haven't? After all, if she was told Luke was her father then maybe her reaction to seeing Luke would've been different? They'd probably want it to appear that when Rey sees Luke she doesn't know he's her dad. But then Daisy did seem pretty certain that she knows the story...

    So that's my take on it anyway. It did appear odd to me that Daisy was so certain TFA would reveal the truth - and I think this comment got muddied with the talk of being a Solo (solitary) and such like. But when you just put it out of your mind that there must be some kind of Star Warsy twist/shock coming up it becomes clear that the truth was revealed in TFA. Rey's parents are never coming back.

    I think the interesting question and possible shocker will be about what actually happened to them...
     
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    Star Wars is poetry that rhymes dontcha know, so Rey will be a Kenobi whose mentor is a Skywalker. The films will still be primarily about the Skywalker family, Luke will be in all three and take centre stage from now on. Six films for Luke and six for Anakin.

    On the other hand, Ahch-to means big or great(Vietnamese) Brother(Hebrew) and is an anagram of achoth, another Hebrew word meaning blood sister or female relative.
     
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    Daisy has stated she knows who her parents are... this was after she read the script for episode 8.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 5, 2016, Original Post Date: Mar 5, 2016 ---
    Not sure about this claim. The polls on the two major threads about this question the majority is firmly in the "Rey is Luke's daughter" camp.
     
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    I thought so. And this is telling as she really seems to suggest it will be revealed in TFA. So for me it gives me more conviction in thinking that Maz was right about her parents - nothing else suggests her origins or fate of her parents in the film.

    Bot among us geeks who but with the wider public and less informed. Most of her interviews contain a question asking if she is Han's daughter.
     
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