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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  2. No

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  1. nightangel

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    yep I agree and a movie in which Rey always agrees to what Luke says and never questions anything would be boring as hell. I only strongly reject any ideas in which Luke is finally portrayed as someone who did evil or cruelsome things for whatever reason to create the conflict. There can be other ways to create the conflict without ruining Luke's character. ;)
     
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    There's really no way to know what this line is unless you have inside information. Do you?
    I'm still confused. No one has floated the idea that Luke did cruel things, was heartless, or anything like that. I'm not sure why this keeps popping up.

    ICYMI

    According to JJ's TFA commentary, when Rey first met Finn she doesn't know who Luke Skywalker is, but they changed it because she was familiar with Han Solo. It didn't' make sense for her to know one and not the other.

    Grain of salt but that suggests that Rey has no memory of Luke.
     
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    It'd be quite simple to explain that, really. If I get taken away from my parents at age five, I probably don't know their real names anyway.
     
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    No inside information. (I wish I did:)) I just feel that not every line in the movie has a hidden meaning. Kylo's tone when saying it to Hux definitely gives the impression he is trying to get under Hux's skin. As far as the Clone reference, while it could mean a lot of different things, common sense tells me that the most obvious thing is it is a reference to the Clone Wars
     
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    Ask Mother Talzin. Draining the "Living Force" is exactly what she did in Clone Wars Season 6 I think.
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    Maz I think spelled it out. "Your family is not coming back. But there is someone who can."

    Han knew who she was. He likely told Maz. I think Rey doesn't get told for her own protection. Whether that's because she was thought dead or they worried she would become a target. But I still think Han and Leia are more likely than Luke. Though I think its more likely a mystery.
     
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    Maz never directly said anything onscreen about Rey's family - she just said "whomever" did it, they're not coming back. The TFA Visual Dictionary Rey entry also says that "whoever" left her. These are more vague terms than a more concrete term like "family". Tricksy Hobbitses.

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    “One of the new relationships that we were focusing on was between Kylo Ren and Rey. They’ve never met but he’s heard of this girl. And so, now comes a moment when their meeting is inevitable. […] And now we’re back to our heroine. And this moment where she is about to, for the first time, be confronted by Kylo Ren, a character who she’s going to have a very interesting relationship with moving forward. […] The takes we have of Adam Driver being unable to see in that mask and tripping over these rocks, I think, it just added to the rage that he used in the character. It really is a very specific kind of talent to be able to perform a character when your face is completely hidden. His body language was very specific.”

    “The premise for Rey that she was always staying on Jakku, because all she ever wanted was for someone to come back for her and she ends up getting it through Finn. And it just means so much to her. [”How did you get away?”] We actually added, “I can’t explain it,” because we liked the idea that she was nowhere near a master. But we didn’t have that on the day, we added that in post.”
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    “[…] But this moment, I think, is actually lovely and the idea that these two women who’d never met knew of each other, and they’re both Force-strong and they’re both bound by their loss and their strength.”

    “Rey, all she wanted in the beginning was companionship, friendship, belonging, and the idea that she’s met people who would sacrifice themselves for her with their lives, human and otherwise, is the happy ending for Rey, even though this is a very open-ended story.”
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    “And speaking of honoured, this was something I’d been looking forward to the entire experience. Was the moment when we would finally get to see Luke Skywalker. We were shooting this scene and I had my phone, and I pulled up the Binary Sunset theme, and played it. And was almost brought to tears by the power of being there with Mark Hamill in this role. And Daisy, who like Rey, had come from this sweet and humble place and was now quite literally carrying the torch for this saga. And her face here, this moment, where she’s reaching out to him and finds a strenght and a determination. And Luke, who looks at her, just knowing what it means to accept this plea to come back and help. And we leave them here until Episode VIII.”

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    #ReyRandom #ReyLo
     
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    Kylo Ren and Rey fell in love with each other, but then discovered that they were brother and sister. In frustration, Kylo Ren destroyed the Jedi temple on Ahch-To with his light saber.

    "Rey, similar experience your mother and uncle had. Mysterious the will of the Force is." - Force Ghost of Yoda
     
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    Han knew who she was and his first thought was to put Rey/Finn in a pod and fire them towards the next inhabitable planet? There's nothing to suggest that Han knew more about Rey than he said during the film.
     
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    Again - showing us that this scene has nothing to do with a father and daughter reunion but a student imploring a master to return to the fight.
     
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    I disagree and the emotional look of Rey (who is almost in tears) and Luke is much more than just a master and a random student meeting. ;)
     
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    So you're saying what? That Rey now knows that Luke is her father? I don't get it. We've been told that Rey thinks Luke was a myth. Why would she suddenly decide he is her father?
     
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    we have the scene when Kylo reads Rey's mind about the island, so I think when she finally is there on the island and sees Luke, she remembers more from her early dreams. Like an awakening of her memory. ;)
     
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    “Daisy just has this remarkable ability to turn on that emotion. And she did it take after take, which I’m sure is exhausting. He’s talking about this ocean, this island. This thing that she imagines when she’s back at home on Jakku. And this is a setup, this island is the thing that she arrives, at the end of the movie. The notion being this wish fulfilment was always in her, that she always knew this inevitability".

    And again:

    "And Luke, who looks at her, just knowing what it means to accept this plea to come back and help. And we leave them here until Episode VIII.”

    The first quote tells us that Rey has simply imagined the Island before. And the second shows that she is asking Luke to return to the fight, not making some proclamation about being his daughter. And lastly, if you're saying she remembers that Luke is her father then that means:

    - She was with him until she was abducted, so how could Luke have allowed this to happen/not ever tried to find her?
    - Why didn't any of Luke's family (Leia, Han etc) know about Rey or ever met her?

    It doesn't add up. Again, people took from that end scene that there was this emotional connection between the two that = father/daughter. It for me wasn't ever about that. As soon as I saw it, it was clearly the student asking the mentor to come back into the conflict in spite of whatever terrible trials he has faced. It's telling him he has a worth - and Luke finally realising he has a place again. That there is something he can do.

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    @nightangel

    Surely, if you're suggesting that when she sees Luke she realises he is her father then her reaction wouldn't have been to continue just passing over the saber? Surely we would've seen shock or surprise?
     
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    I just mean if it is later revealed as the ending you saw/described, it won't do anything for me anymore on an emotional level. That's it. A father / daughter reunion instead would be such a great powerful moment.
     
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    Let's wait and see what has happened to Luke before we make statements like that.
    This is Luke Skywalker. The Jedi legend. The guy who saved the galaxy - now living in exile after his students were murdered by his nephew. His best friend is dead. Billions have perished on his watch. And perhaps more dreadful things have happened to him? Perhaps he has waited for years for someone to come? Perhaps he has been desperate to help but unable?

    For many people, seeing Luke again at the end was an emotional thing. It had great impact. In terms of looking back after VIII and IX with this extra information the scene might well hold more emotional weight - not less, just because he isn't Rey's absent father...
     
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    of course I will give VIII a chance, but as some may already noticed, I'm just very critical when it comes to Luke. So a very good explanation why is is away and a satisfying resolution to his character/legacy is a must for me. I may not get my wishes, but it is just what I have been waiting for over 30 years. ;)
     
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    Hey I agree! I certainly don't want him to just be a washed up Jedi, living in exile out of grief! At the same time, I recognise the need to ensure that Rey is the new hero for the new generation - Luke has had his day. It's this that feeds into my theory about Luke having lost his power. But regardless of that, I feel that there is far more of a worthy and original story to be told between Luke or Rey beyond a rehash of the Skywalker family saga - whilst keeping that story central to the saga of course!
     
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