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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  1. nightangel

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    nope, I will become 46 in a little more than 1 month. :oops:
     
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    That would be a twist if Luke was a heartless killer. Personally, I find that intriguing, (even though it is highly unlikely knowing everything we know about Luke.)

    The whole idea of Luke being imperfect seems to be true. If he isn't heartless, he seems to be ashamed. Consider this:
    1) Luke is hiding on Ach-to an nobody knew he was there (apart from maybe Lor San Tekka who had part of the map.) He didn't even tell his sister.
    2) He disappeared immediately after his school got destroyed and Kylo rose to power.

    I do wonder if Luke is trying to unravel some kind of still-unexplained deep magic on this first Jedi Temple to help defeat the dark side. He is definately searching for something important, as he frequently disappeared for unexplained reasons shortly after the battle of endor (as mentioned in both novels Aftermath 2 and Bloodlines.)

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    No, you don't :D
     
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    yep I agree, Luke is still the big mystery starting directly after ROTJ. I hope we get some more clues about him in Empire's End novel. ;)
     
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    Luke was a tree-hugger running around with Shara Bey to save the tree from the Empire. He was surprised to find two trees instead of one.

    (luke)
     
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    It does read that way. My head-canon is always in flux but I like/choose to think that Luke has remained on Ach-to because he feels he should be there (because reasons - maybe Rey) and that he's off the radar to protect others and because he knows the importance of security culture.
     
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    What we know about Luke post ROTJ
    -In the battle's aftermath, Skywalker reported to the Rebel Alliance that the Emperor and Darth Vader were dead.

    -Three months after the Battle of Endor, Skywalker planned a mission to an Imperial research base on the planet Vetine in order to retrieve the last remaining fragment of a Force-sensitive tree. Skywalker recruited Shara Bey to fly as his co-pilot on the mission.

    -Luke was teaching some things to Leia about the Force [Aftermath: Life Debt]

    -Skywalker continued to seek out Jedi lore, hoping to find information that the Empire had erased, Gatalenta being one of the first destinations in his search. He was aided by Lor San Tekka, an explorer and member of the Church of the Force. San Tekka was old enough to remember the Jedi Knights before the Clone Wars, and he did not believe the Emperor's lies about how the Jedi betrayed the Old Republic. San Tekka, who believed that the return of the Jedi Order was essential to bring balance to the Force, became a valuable ally for both Skywalker and Organa.

    -Some people started to think about Luke as a Myth [via Bloodline and TFA]

    -Skywalker set out to begin training a new generation of Jedi, passing on everything that he had learned in his own training.
     
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    We didn't get to question why Yoda was on Dagobah. I mean, we didn't even know enough at the time for it to be a question. "Because reasons - maybe Rey", makes some sense for Luke. Maybe he refuses to fight Kylo. When your nephew is one of the head bad guys it makes fighting the bad guys more complex. What if he's waiting for the right time to try to turn Kylo back to the light. That's what he'd want to do in an encounter with Kylo. Maybe he needs someone's help to do it. Maybe that someone is Rey.
     
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    we don't know if Luke really wants to save Kylo/Ben at all. The rumors of him ordering Rey to kill him speak a different language. Maybe we won't see the forgiving Luke anymore and that could be the conflict between Luke and Rey. Luke knows more what Kylo has done than Rey, so she questions Luke's decision, until Kylo cuts off Rey's arm. ;)
     
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    It'll go one of three ways imo:

    1. Luke hasn't really changed and he would approach Ren in the same way he did his father - seek his redemption.
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    2. Luke has been severely tainted by the Dark Side. He hasn't turned bad but he has been "soul destroyed" by it. He therefore acts contrary to his old ways and needs Rey to get him back on the right path and remind him about the power of the light.
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    3. Connecting with number 2, Luke is extremely vulnerable in that his connection to the Force has been compromised. He therefore hasn't the luxury to risk redeeming Ren as if Luke dies, the Jedi order dies with him.
     
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    this is where i am to be honest... he may have been devastated when his academy was "destroyed", but i like to think that his disappearance was for Jedi survival.

    Yoda and Kenobi were needed by the galaxy after order 66, but they did what they did to save the future of the Jedi. Yoda was powerful enough to continue the fight and go after Sidious.. but the risk was too high.

    If Luke was as wise as we all hope he was.. he would have known that the Jedi must survive.. he must survive until he is able to pass on what he has learned.

    perhaps he is waiting for Rey specifically, or maybe just someone strong in the force that he can train. both of those options are possible, but i do believe that he used the force to help Rey find him... whoever she is, and whether he knows her or not.
     
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    no thanks, please not again the same story with Yoda Luke and all he has done was hiding. Yoda/Obi-Wan had a whole empire against them. Luke had support from his sister and the resistance, so no reason to hide like a coward. :oops:
     
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    I'm afraid he's definitely going to have been hiding/in exile. I mean, whether it be because he is vulnerable, grief-stricken or just defeated - he's still in exile.
    But I do hear what you're saying. My issue with this ST so far is that it feels like a rehash. No originality. So I am hoping that where there will be inevitable "retellings" of the old stories/plot points that there is some originality attached to it.
     
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    when the originality is only attached to the new characters, I'm disappointed. I mean if there is not a really a very good reason why Luke is hiding, it would have been better to have him not in the ST at all. :( I mean the picture is portrayed Leia is having courage and fights evil while Luke hides like a coward. That's the image that will stay for audiences. Only a reason like Luke lost his powers etc can save him from character assassination. :oops: I even think Yoda and Obi-Wan could have done more in 20 years than hiding. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, I don't want him in hiding because he's a bit upset. He'd already overcome that kind of problem, in terms of the hero journey, in ROTJ. And it's clear that Leia has suffered more than he has. For me, it points to him being literally weakened so he can't actually do any physical good. But he must survive to safe guard the ways of the Jedi so went into hiding.

    For more information, see my Did Snoke Force Drain Luke thread! :p
     
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    well that all comes down to which fight your looking at.... absolutely Leia has courage and is fighting the FO head on. It's one fight though.. and whatever the outcome there will be other fights, other wars and other dark sided bad guys threatening the galaxy and unbalancing the force.

    if there are no Jedi left.. what will happen to the GFFA ? forget about the current fight with the FO.. what about 1000 yrs after it all when something far worse than Snoke rocks up from the shadows. who ya gonna call?

    you think it would be cowardly of Luke to protect the future of the Jedi at the expense of helping his sister against the FO? i don't see it that way my friend. It's what a trained Jedi master would do, but i'm sure that walking away from his family and leaving the resistance and republic to their own devices has been eating him up. If it's what happened, then it was the brave and selfless thing to do.. not cowardly, but that's debatable of course.


    in saying all of that.. it's all conjecture. Luke may have just popped to Ach-to to pick something up and his ship broke down and he's been stuck there ever since lol.
     
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    I'm a huge Luke fan and I don't think Luke not being Rey's dad will be a problem. Like we will see LUKE SKYWALKER BEING A JEDI MASTER AND KICKING ***. I am so excited to see what he learned on the jedi knowledge, everything he will pass to Rey... Does he met Snoke? How? and even if he is not the father of Rey, we will probably see many cool scenes between them (plus we'll see the meeting of Luke&R2D2 and maybe Luke&Leia, I'll cry)

    Star Wars VIII, my body is ready
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    If that's true then we should also be questioning if it was Luke -- not Snoke -- urging Rey to kill Kylo at the end of the Force Awakens novelization.

    I don't think so.
     
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    I think it is quite clearly just the Dark Side, not Snoke or Luke. I can't imagine that Luke could be that far gone, to the point where he is essentially acting like Palpatine.
    The novel makes it reasonably clear that it is just the Dark Side within her.
     
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    yes, yes and p.s. yes !

    a lot of folk are worried about Luke's current condition and the part he will play in the rest of the trilogy.
    worry about Luke.. they should not.

    They held him back from us in TFA. we got seconds of him and he didn't even get to speak.

    the facts:-
    • there were breadcrumbs leading to Luke's whereabouts. he was in hiding... but he wanted to be found, or at the very least.. the force wanted him to be found.
    • He was wearing full Jedi Robes. may not mean much to some, but if he had lost his marbles or had gone to the darkside he would not have looked and dressed the way he was.. he either knew Rey was coming and got ready for it, or he was already dressed like that. either way.. a good sign.
    my predictions for Luke in ep 8:-

    Luke will give Rey a little training at the beginning, and i expect this training to last weeks.. pretty sure they will mirror Luke's training in ESB with how they show progress made over time whilst other things are occurring in the galaxy.

    Luke and Rey will be interrupted by 'visitors' to the island (those that have seen the rumors know what i mean)
    Luke will kick absolute total ass, and the unwanted visitors will die/leave. we could see ppl clapping in the theaters if done how i picture it.

    Luke/Rey will leave Ach-To and rejoin the fight.

    did i mention that they rejoin the fight? literally.. a massive land and space based battle between the resistance and the FO. Luke and Rey will literally jump out of the falcon into a full scale fight between thousands of troops.

    i expect a proper nasty horrid ending to ep8. either a new threat needs to emerge, or the bad guys need to start overwhelming the good guys... unfortunately with starkiller base gone there is no big threat, so things need to go wrong at the end of 8... badly terribly wrong.

    Luke will finish ep8 pretty much in charge of the resistance.

    Rey will find out about her family at the end of 8.. very upset, she will leave everyone and go back to Jakku. (pops will come find her in ep9 ;) )

    Luke starts training Finn at the very end.


    90% of the above is hopeful spitballing, the other 10% is just utter rubbish.
     
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