SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Good points, completely agree. But that's why it wouldn't make sense for Luke to be insisting that Rey kills Kylo in a theoretical encounter. I mean if he did, and I doubt that, it would probably be more like "do what must be done". But I'm not buying even that. If he does he may as well have urged Rey to kill Kylo on Starkiller. I have trouble seeing the difference. I need to once again check out this rumor that Luke wants Rey to kill Kylo...

Ok here are some quotes from that old makingstarwars article and I guess it's not really anymore spoilery than this entire post but, whatever.

Spoiler: Luke, Rey and Kylo

"From what I have heard a few times, Rey is reluctant with (if not angry at) Luke Skywalker because she has to kill Kylo Ren and she doesn’t want to do it." But then later in that article "The question is: does Luke let Kylo run? Can he not kill him for familial reasons or because Rey must do it as part of her training? The impression I get is that Luke knew Kylo would run and allows him to."

If anything it seems like the only thing Luke was insisting on is that Rey confront Kylo. Maybe because he wants Kylo turned? I am having a real trouble understanding why Luke would both want Kylo dead and yet not want to do it himself. And if he is wanting Rey to kill/confront Kylo then why doesn't Rey want to? It's clear she's seeing him as sympathetic, but why? Either she's learned about his past and it's a sympathetic story or they are family.

And I know there is not necessarily "evidence" to think Rey and Kylo are family but this is part of the reason some of us keep going back there. How much bigger can a scene like this be if they are family?

 

I'm not sure if that's what's going on here but it's a very reasonable explanation. The only real problem I can come up with for this scenario is that the description of the scene doesn't necessarily match up with a vision. It's possible they make it a very lucid vision for the audience though so that it's shot just like it would be if it weren't a vision. Maybe that's one of the things Rian Johnson is doing that we wouldn't expect. A full out 7 on 2 battle in a vision? Haven't we heard (I can't keep this stuff straight) that the visions are in fact expected to continue in this episode?

I like how you used available info on this scene combined with our behavioral expectations for these characters to come up with a good explanation for something that doesn't seem to fit otherwise. If this were a vision and test for Rey everything that is described to have happened in the scene makes sense. Especially the part where she seems to be in grave danger and Luke isn't particularly concerned. I'm referring to this part from the makingstarwars article I referenced above "Luke’s behavior doesn’t indicate he believes Rey is killed or anything like that." I took this to mean that he is acting somewhat nonchalant relative to the gravity of the situation.

 

Could it not be that Luke wants to see how Kylo reacts the moment he has to face Rey once again? What if Luke comes to the conclusion, that his nephew is not completely lost to the dark side, after witnessing the confrontation between Rey and Kylo? ... and he decides to give him the chance to escape because he knows that Ren is even more confused after this meeting..
and they finally save him in IX and succeed over the curses that seem to follow the shadows of Darth Vader

 

Many people seem to have a need to ground Luke's actions in terms of fear, regret, hiding because he is the last Jedi. Remember Luke at this time is the old master he has reached the wise hermit stage of Merlin. Luke is a spiritual individual and may simply be responding to "the will of the force." Or more complexly dealing with an emotional reason and the will of the force.

 

Definitly. He has earned the right to have a standing high above the simple physical ground and is down earth at the same time, spiritual leader and a wise old Jedi Knight. That is much more than simply an old lonely hermit.
I think he seeks for knowledge but his comeback will follow because of Rey.

 

The will of the force wanted Anakin trained at least if you ask Qui-Gon Jinn.

The force being mysterious might have a larger game at play than the events we are seeing as well. My point though is that the focus is on reasons that are not spiritual I am suggesting that the reason might be spiritual. That does not mean meditation only perhaps he is simply supposed to wait. Yoda spoke of needing to go into exile. After nearly beating Sidious and decimating his apprentice rather than regrouping and going after Sidious together he picks exile. Spiritual people sometimes pick strategies that defy outside thinking. I just noticed a lack of possibility given to the idea that Luke is doing something beyond hiding, or having a crisis of purpose. His motives might be external not internal.

 

exactly this, could not have written it better. If everything is the will of the force, so was it also that his students were killed? if this is the case, I would seriously question the will of the force. As you said, for me and for most of the audiences there has to be an easy to understand reason why Luke did not help. If he was injured, marooned or similar, it can be accepted, but not if he just sits out the whole trouble. That's not the Luke I accept or understand.

 

I believe there will be a reason why Luke went to the First Jedi Temple, he didn't "run away". Luke probably is wiser than when he was young and knows what he is doing (or what is trying to do).

 

Thinking back to the original question I think that it maybe the intent of KK and the new writers is to recapture that anyone can be a jedi not just children of jedi with high mitichlorean counts. Rather that the force is there and any one with patience and training can find it. Also the feminist angle that KK has pointed to perhaps pushes them to think that Rey should be her own person not special because of her paternity. Thus the legacy of Anakin and Luke's successor falls to a stranger to take up as an equal not beholden to birthright. She will be adopted in as the Skywalker heir via merit after the perceived and likely heir Ben has chosen the a path of evil and ruin.

 

This is big part of why I lean Rey Random. The story group has been adamant about making the universe larger. Rogue One is a stand alone film. Han Solo is a stand alone film. The saga films are connected and will always be connected, but ever major character doesn't have to share the same gene pool.

 

The thing is not everyone can be a Jedi. They need to first be force sensitive. Also who knows how many Jedi have existed, there were quite a few of them in the PT alone not to mention the ones in the TV series and the other EU materials. I thinks it speaks for itself that not only Skywalkers can be Jedi. As far as the feminist angle. Rey being Luke's daughter doesn't make her less of her own person than Luke being Anakin's son or Leia being his daughter and Kylo Ren isn't less of his own person because he's Han and Leia's son.

 

probably odd that i'd be asking this question after 214 pages of debate lol, but when ppl say Rey Random... do they think that there is no reveal coming about her parentage?

it seems like we have been shoe-horned into a position of waiting to find out who Rey is, but are some here thinking that there will be no reveal? nothing... nada? Rey says hi to Luke, he starts training her and nothing is ever mentioned about who she is?

i clearly understand that you don't think she's a Solo/Skywalker/Kenobi etc etc, but are you saying that she does have a heritage that's important to the story in some form?

I think the word 'Random' is bugging.. no confusing me somewhat. Who she is and what happened to her and her family was made important to the audience. now that isn't proof that she is a relative of a known character.. of course it isn't, but whether her parents are Skywalkers or Plutts... who she is seems to be an integral part of the story.

can she really be that random? a nobody?

 

I was thinking almost this exact same thing. Surely her past must be important somehow, otherwise what's the whole "waiting for my family thing". Colin Trevorrow has said that Rey's back story / parentage will be "deeply and profoundly satisfying". There's also the fact that Jakku is setting up to have importance other than it being where Rey is from. Given all this I don't think the people saying random mean that she's a nobody. More that she's not related to a character whose story we already know a lot about. I do find the word random to be a poor description of this. Unless the people using it mean that her back story isn't a reveal of something greater.

 

I believe we will know about Rey's past and what happened to her parents but I do not believe she is a Skywalker.

Pablo Hidalgo ‏@pablohidalgo
@Warregory I'm gonna rip off @BradBirdA113 and say 'not everyone can become a Jedi, but a Jedi can come from anywhere'

 

Well I am not proposing she is no one I am proposing she is her own person who comes into play through her own merits. And to be frank I am entertaining the idea my real hope is still that she is a solo. Random or nobody is simply short hand at best pejorative to the idea at worst.

It was Lucas who in the beginning proposed that anyone could use the force. There are those strong in the force or find it easily. This evolved into force sensitivity and then into mitochloreans. Then Clone Wars tried to re-mystify it by having Mother Talzin draining people of "the Living Force." But that was found in everyone but in greater amounts in those that are strong in the force. I think its safe that like anything there is natural gifting and then training. But Rey not being a Skywalker or related to famous force wielders dies not mean she cannot be naturally gifted or strong in the force. One of the strengths of Star Wars is that it offers tension in its beliefs it is not a simple system, it offers non-binary choices.