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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  1. master_shaitan

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    The first few paragraphs alone of this explain attachment beautifully:

    http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/attachment.htm

    This part is quite relevant:

    There's nothing wrong with striving to accomplish something, or making friends, or loving your spouse and children. The Buddha himself, after all, spent his life after his enlightenment associating with people, and teaching them. Non-attachment does not require extreme asceticism or shunning human contact. Non-attachment comes from the wisdom that nothing is truly separate.

    Yes, some Buddhists enter monastic life to concentrate on Buddhist practice without distraction. But monastics do not isolate themselves from human contact. The sangha itself is a human society in which people support each others' practice.

    The underlined part is what I think relates to the Jedi and what Luke would have been doing.
     
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    First off, let me wander off topic for a moment. This has been beaten to death already, but I'm surprised that so many people basically take Anakin's side in the PT. If you really think "no attachments" and the "narrow, dogmatic view of the Jedi" were their downfall then you've basically accepted the Sith point of view of the trilogy. Anakin is eventually redeemed by his son, but Anakin is responsible for what happened. He betrayed the Jedi Order. He wasn't attached to Padme. He viewed her as a possession. Is there any question Obi-Wan loved Satine? Is there any doubt he was devastated by her death? He didn't take that loss out on the Jedi.

    If you look at Anakin and Obi-Wan you see the two sides of the coin. Anakin was powerful, greedy, and selfish. All those things are against the Jedi way. Obi-Wan wasn't very powerful, but even though he witnessed the death of his master, Satine, the Anakin turn, and the fall of the Republic he protected Luke for two decades. Then after all of that time he sacrificed himself for the greater good. That's the Jedi way.
     
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    From another site, an even more interesting idea:

    The Buddhist teaching on non-attachment is ultimately about realizing the truth of yourself. That is, realizing that you're an expression of the entire cosmos. That you're in the cosmos, that the entire cosmos is in you in a very real and observable way, and that there is no separating the two (and everything that comes with the realization).

    And the teaching on non-attachment is about living in such a way that you live without such obstructions that keep you from realizing this.

    So, for instance, it's not about not being able to get married, something which Chinese Buddhists began allowing which Indian Buddhists didn't, it's about not attaching yourself to your spouse or the concept of marriage.

    This means living in a way that instead of keeping this image of your spouse in your mind and falling in love with that image, consequently running into problems when that image changes, you let them free and accept them fully for who they are in each moment no matter what changes.

    In Zen Buddhism, when students complete their study they're allowed to enter back into a "normal" life and do things such as marry and take jobs. This is because it's understood in Zen that non-attachment isn't about physical items, locations, and such, it's about the ideas we occupy our minds with.

    It's about what we believe about ourselves and the world around us.

    This means that you could lead a perfectly normal life on the surface, but from within live in a way that you don't attach yourself to any of the things that are a part of your life.



    Here the idea of students being allowed a "normal life" after they have completed their training is very relevant. Luke might have looked into this idea. Luke might indeed have been forced to adopt this because of his own position. However, as I have said all along, I don't think Luke would've taken on a family himself due to the responsibility he has been handed. He has too much to do and too much to risk.
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    Hyperbole alert!
    Of course people can be possessive of other people. To different degrees.
    Jealousy is possessiveness. Have you never been jealous? Is that abuse?
    Just read the link about attachment. It should make the whole thing clearer.
     
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    Jealously can become abuse if taken too far (if you try to prevent the person you care about from seeing others, if you become so paranoid that it affects your relationship with them). Most people when they get jealous recognize it is irrational and dont take it out on the other person, or for example if they find out a partner is cheating on them, they get upset, break up with them, but then move on with their lives. Obviously there are outliers, but thats not typical of an emotionally healthy person.
     
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    I have to disagree there. We all ( I think ) at least felt in love with someone who didn't share our feelings and you know what ?

    It brings bad bad ideas. Anger, jealousy, lies ...
     
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    every aspect of Anakin's life from the moment he started training to become a Jedi, was overshadowed by Darth Sidious.

    You can't compare Anakin to any other Jedi... none of them were subjected to that kind of manipulation.
     
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    I don't know what point you're making here.
    Attachment is possessiveness. It is about viewing things as separate from oneself and attaching yourself to it.
    Non-attachment is about viewing everything has being connected. Unity. That is how a Jedi should be.
    Therefore they shouldn't allow attachment. Marriage and having kids makes it far harder to avoid attachment.
    That's why the Jedi forbid it. Perhaps Luke wouldn't rule it out but that is different from saying it is ok to be attached.
     
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    Not everybody moves on. Crime of passion is the most common murder in the world.
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    Really ? Dooku wasn't manipulated ?
     
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    But we know Luke allows attachment in his new Jedi order
     
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    Anakin was evil. He had a choice. Let's quit defending evil. There's no excuse for the choices he made. Certainly through storytelling we can understand how he got to that point. Sidious didn't order Anakin to kill the Tusken Raiders. Sidious just saw a kindred spirit. I'm sure if we got the back story Plagues was instrumental in turning Sidious.
     
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    What? No we don't. And he wouldn't. You just don't understand what attachment is in the context of Jedism.
     
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    That's how the Jedi were. Luke has made changes. We know this. The question is did his new views extend to romantic relationships. But there is no direction that makes the story bad or make no sense - it's all about the story they tell.
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    Yes we do. We know Luke allows children older then 1 to join. Children and adults who are attached to their mothers, which was an attachment the council was concerned about and did have s negative affect on anakin. Luke allows for that in his order
     
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    Anakin was not evil. He is not the villain of the PT.
    That`s why his fall is so tragic.
     
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    Back up. Luke may allow older students but that doesn't mean he allows attachment.
    As these students join him, Luke would teach them non-attachment.
    Again, in the context of Jedism, attachment is bad. A Jedi must be non-attached.
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    "A jedi must have the deepest commitment. The most serious mind...".

    "Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter!".

    "And sacrfice Han and Leia?!"
    "If you honour what they fight for, yes".

    There is plenty more from the OT where Yoda teaches non-attachment.
     
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    There are two sides to the Vader coin.

    Anakin was a selfish prat who thought the rules shouldn't apply to him because they weren't fair. However the strict dogma of the order created a situation were an individual Jedi can find themselves with very little room to maneuver.

    Anakin shouldn't have done what he did, but once he got in over this head the order could offer no compassion
     
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    In according to Bloodline people started to think Luke was a myth (except of course Leia and anybody who knew Luke).

    Rey: "There are stories about what happened"
    "This is the Millennium Falcon? You're Han Solo?"
    "(surprised) This is the Millenium Falcon! This is the ship that did the Kessel Run in.... 14 parsecs!"
    "The Jedi were real?"

    probably she hear like anybody in that galaxy. Stories about a powerful jedi, a smuggler and a princess but nobody had proof that all this happened (Luke was real or just a myth? People are confused because pratically nobody saw him post-ROTJ)
     
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    No canon proof yet. U got a clouded.
     
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    You should have probably should have stopped right there. Blaming rules for poor life choices isn't a good look.
     
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    Pt era Jedi only took students 1 year old or younger because older children were attached to their mothers. They did t want anakin at first because of this attachment. Luke is clearly ok with attachment.

    And if you're argument is attachment to ones mother (possibly one of the strongest human relationships) is manageable then romantic partners and children should be as well.
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    Rules are fine - dogmatic adherence to them can cause issues
     
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