SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

It proves what Leia believed about things she perceived. She may very well be right. But its leave room for differences.

 

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1.So Snoke was watching our son.”
“Always,” she told him. “From the shadows, in the beginning, even before I realized what was happening, he was manipulating everything, pulling our son toward the dark side.”

2."Who is out there, who is watching us? Hands reach for her, hands of shadow, lifting her up, reaching for her throat, her wrists, her stomach "

3.“Snoke?”
She nodded. “He knew our child would be strong with the Force. That he was born with equal potential for good or evil.”
“You knew this from the beginning? Why didn’t you tell me?”

4."baby turns inside her again, troubled by something she cannot feel and cannot yet understand.
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Ok just please reply this all lines togehter are Vague to you . Please endulge me for the record and we can move on. Ok?

 

Every planet is "alive", there would be no life on a dead planet.

 

Okay. You've convinced me. You're right and I was wrong. Pablo Hidalgo is wrong. @Pastor Barndog is wrong. @LadyMusashi is wrong. @MagnarTheGreat is wrong. @Bandini is wrong. @lealt is wrong.

I just want to thank you for coming here to educate us with your immense wisdom. I promise to never ever disagree with you ever again.

 

Force creates and sustains life.

Yoda said that.

I think Palpatine was not disgusted by life itself but by something else in the Jakku's core.And again it could the "essence of the Force".I think Jakku could be some kind of "knot" of this flow of the Force, Palpatine Disgusts it because Core of Jakku is still part of "Force river that flows without his control. And he wants absolute control.

.......now you ask whata ...is this one talking about?

The Force essence as I believe it is now envisoned by Disney/LSL ,is like a river.

It flows forever trough the space and binds Galaxy together.It is a "Light that has been here forever" as Maz kanata Said.

The beings that follow this river are , so called Light sided as this river is creative and sustaining.

Dark siders are taking parts od this river making side-lakes to control it for themselves causing inbalance. Dark siders also impose their will to the Force over the Will the Force has itself.

Force has its own will.

Light sider (in fact Force believer) moto should be perfectly explained by words of Chirrut Imwe (R1)

"I fear nothing." I am with the Force and the Force is with me. All is, as the Force wills it."

Force beleiver "flows" within the river of The Force.

In some way, we could say that Jedi also took something from that River, which could cause inbalance.They also used the Force for their own interests.

So this is all One Force, but Dark siders steal from the main river and are weakening, destrurbing the river.Jedi, also desturb this flow, in a smaller ammounts personally, but they were more numerous.
So in fact Luke was about to find tne way to flow again within the main river of the Essence of the Firce...which is much bigger than anything side-branches or side-lakes can be.

 

Vague

Reason 1- Only Leia's word on the matter. Parents are can be unreliable in accounting for what drives their children to bad habits how much more so to tyranny and naked evil. I tend to believe she is right but not to a certainty.

Reason 2- The description by the narrator of the story describes feelings, movements of a baby and dreams. Leia gives these subjective matters context and Leia alone blames Snoke. There are no scenes of Snoke explaining his methods, no additional "witness" to his involvement.

I think you are very likely correct as it pertains to Snoke corrupting Kylo. But you are protesting over people who likely agree with you to a point. Simply hold out room that there is more information to come out.

 

Agree.And now if I accept your level of counter-argument, and the impressive level of argumentation of Lady Musashi, the others could find themselves offended.

Just to put on record why I also believe it is---it gives justiffication to Kylo, by this Kylo was a victim of Snoke even before he knew what is happening when been fetus( literally said in book). He is victim of Snoke that turned him in Dark side puppet and at the end even into patricidal monster, and we ( I believe) will see Kylo getting freedom by Snoke's fall. I believe story is designed as a layout for Kylo's redemption.

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Fair enough. Though, I thought you work alone. damn.

Anyway, we will see but I do believe I am right, if nothing else as this as I already said gives justiffication to Kylo,

 

I'm wrong too.

 

I've edited my post to correct this huge omission on my part.

 

I hope you all ( who applied) are wrong.

I want Kylo to be martyr , a victim of Snoke from its birth (even before) ,and than he turns into a hero.

Thankfully, I find the novels do support my whish.

I can stand " grey zone " in excange for my "vague" facts to be correct at the end( Trilogy will have brighter ending for sure).

 

It's from about 25 years that I want a night stand with Gary Barlow. Thankfully he's got a cameo in TLJ.
And a girl can always dream

And he's from the UK.

#RayBarlowConfirmed

 

He is looking better than ever .

Any hints about his role?

( I hope he is not one of the Knights of Ren, for the sake of your expectations .....)

 

#ReyBarlowConfirmed

 

He said only that he will not be a stormtrooper

 

There would be no life on a dead planet, it's just top edge of understanding the matter.

Right ?

I don't care what Yoda thinks, it's just common sense.

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Everyone believes he's right, if we thought we were wrong, we were thinking anything else ...

I don't know how you call Lapalissade in english but it's a damn good one.

Before he died, he was alive !

 

Ok here we go again, from different point of view.

Is there Life in vacuum of the Universe?
No
But is there Force in vacuum of the Universe?
Yes.

But the Force creates Life, how that there is no life in vacuum? Because Force needs prerequisites to create and sustain life.

That is why Force likes to concentrate on planets. But not all. And some are more special than others.More life, more Force Field around it.

Jakku is special , because millenia ago it was a planet full of life, but than a Sith or other Dark sider race istalled their artefacts on Plainitive Hand Plateu, that blocked the flow of the river of Force essence, so Essence of the Force retreated in its core, while the surface became barren desert. Dark side that stagnates like a shallow lake without a current was active on the planets almost Dead surface, spark of Life connected with the flow of the Force essence stayed in its core.

But wait, if you stay with me you will get a bonus.

There is a life even in the core of Strongest Stars, as their cores(hearts) contain Kyber.Kyber starts there so there is rumor the Force creates Life in a special conditions under extreme pressure and temperature , and from there on life spreads.(after stars explode in supernovas, and from than on life evolves troughout the Universe).

And Kyber is unique form of Life, connected with the Force.

Jaku has a core made of significant amount of Kyber, Just like planet that was used by the First Order to create Starkiller base. It is rare type of planet in the Universe.

 

No, there is life everywhere except on dead satellites and asteroids.

There's no known life on Mars and guess what, the planet is alive. There is sismic activiry, internal water etc ...

I'm not speaking about Star Wars, I'm talking about common sense.

 

Essence of Star Wars (not all the action-required details) is common sense, if not I would not love it. Lucas is genius. Concept of the Force is I believe (time will show) first step in the final stage of human evolution of understanding of the Eternal Existence, about which some cosmologists and philosophers as well as religious authorities are whispering already. That this step happened not in the "real world"(what is real world?), but in the Film, hah, that will be marvelous, because who are we to judge from which way and in what form the truth comes?

Chevrons, likes , are unimportant,important is the debate trough which we rise in our knowledge. All of us.

At least that is why I am participating in this forum (the second reason is fun factor). And the fight in this case is good, it pushes us further.

If I would just read novels and watched films, I would never grow in the understaning like I did by crossing the swords with people in here and the other forums , that is invaluable for me.

So do not take it personally, and when I tell you we are breaking the known boundaries of knowledge do not look at me as I am a deluded monsta'. It is noble task even if it fails to reach the resolution.

 

We still need a bong emoji , this thread has gone supernova ,Master Shaitan where are you ?

 

He was tweeting lately, so he's still around.