SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Most of the audience only saw the movie once, I'm not sure they'll getting it at all.

 

Simple if Rey doesn't know who she is then the enemy can't read her mind for the information. Rey is not just kept secret from others but also from herself because the enemy can read minds.

 

Leia doesn't care about Rey in the Resistance Base after the hug, strange for a mother who finds her long lost daughter who has just lost her father Han...

 

She doesn't care about her when she's abducted by Kylo Ren either and she's ready to blow StarKiller down with both her kids on it.

Han said I saw him, I saw our son but not a word for the girl and he didn't say a word when she wants to get back to Jakku ...

Only Finn cared about Rey during the whole movie.

 

She did hug her right.

Seriously I don't think Rey is likely Han and Leia's child (I did for a long time) but I wasn't offering evidence I was offering that there is a possible explanation.

 

The characters don't directly know they're related yet and 'Rey' wouldn't be her birth name. VII is meant to recreate the feeling of Episode IV according to the developers.

Prior established connections in the Force can be broken off. See Star Wars Rebels Ahsoka arc and the Ahsoka novel which I've posted about before here.

 

Rey to BB-8 in the movie "I know all about waiting. For my family. They'll be back, one day."

Maz to Rey "You already know the truth... Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back, but there's someone who still could"

"Luke?"

"The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead."



So why Rey is on Jakku with a different family?

 

My mother would have recognized me between billions kids even 20 years after she lost me. I'm 100% sure about that.

 

The death Saw Gerrera's sister left him a changed man that became an extremist.

Spoiler: Rebel Rising

I think the same type of thing happened to Kylo Ren.

As Rey is somewhat like Ashla/Ahsoka in the Ahsoka novel, Kylo Ren is somewhat like Saw Gerrera.

 

Probably not as there is more impacting story potential if she is not his daughter, yet is key to bringing the Skywalkers back together to fight the darkness.

I'll admit my bias for Reylo here, I think it has the best "rhyming" potential with the PT. Whereas Anakin's love of Padme was selfish and possessive, Kylo's feelings toward her will lead him to be selfless and compassionate, prompting him to give up his pursuit of power as opposed to Anakin's pursuit of the ultimate boon.

 

this could actually be cool. he falls for her and wants to do right by her, but she doesn't need to be in love with him back. it could be unrequited love that leads him to perform the selfless and compassionate act you talk about.

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this could also be cool, with Kylo Ren having chosen the dark side for all the wrong reasons only to realize he could still make things right.

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and please, before anyone jumps on the evidence band wagon, i'm just saying they are neat ideas i appreciate, not that they are necessarily likely or probable.

 

I think, I'm going to officially stand (alone) in my #crazytheory camp.
Don't get me wrong, I believe everything is possible.
And I won't be surprised or disappoited, if I'm wrong.
But... since I don't see any strong evidence (or theory) untill now, for Rey Skywalker or Solo, why not to think about something else, and that could be the twist no one is waiting for?

At least for fun. Or to list another chance.
Thankfully, the more I think about it, the more I find pieces to add to the puzzle.
Probably becasue I want to. Aka "I'm reading to much" but...

As you may know, I never was a "fan" of the theory "Plegueis created Anakin Skywlaker". I've always thought Sidius (in ep. III) lied to deceive him.
Therefore I've not particulary welcomed the latest comments of P. Hidalgo about this matter.

That's the quote (Q&A at minute 20' in the video below)

Q- Is Anakin Skywalker crated by Plagueis?

A- I'd say all clues point to this. There's a lot of theories about this and what I'm going to say right now it's just a theory. Every one can conclude what he wants. But I think Sidius and Plagueis tried to provoke the creation of the Chosen One, so that they could control him.
But it didn't work out.​

Ok, it's a thoery. But it's the theory of one of guys in charge of the Canon. So it deserves attention.

The way I read it, is first that they played a part in Anakin's birth, but faild to control him.

Second and most importantly, I think the true key may be that Pablo doesn't say "they created Anakin". He says "they tried to provoke the creation" and if he had carefully chosen those words, this could be a game change. Probably the biggest ever.

Case 1 (not a game change):

• If there's no difference (in Pablo's mind) between To create/ Try to provoke the creation then Aninkin's birth is a paradox. In fact Sidius and Plagueis did what they did, becasue they knew about the prophecy. Had the prophecy not been written, they wouldn't know about the Chosen One. Therefore no reason to "play" with the midi-chlorians, no Anakin. In this sense it's a paradox. The prophecy would be not only a forecast of the future, but what caused that future. A nice, cool thing. But not a game change.

Case 2:

• If Paolo words are not "random" but carefully choosen to provoke the creation may be = to cause a childbirth. And more precisaly the birth of the Chosen One, someone prophesied, someone who was supposed to be born sooner or later. And since he was prophesied to be born on one hand, but his birth was provoked on the other hand, it may imply that the Chosen One wasn't supposed to come (to be born) in their life time (that of Sidius and Plagueis). In other words, perhaps Anakin was supposed to be born sometime in the future, not when he did because Sidius and Plagueis "provoked" his birth. In other words, they managed to "provoke" an early birth changing the course of events and the time line.

Question is: if so, where and when the chosen one was supposed to come?

Answer: by the ST era.
Why? Perhaps to face Snoke or perhaps to do something else.

In fact, what does it really mean "Bring Balance to the Force"?
To destroy the Sith? Given what we know until now, yes.

But, let's think about these lines and then put them aside for a while:

- Lor San Tekka "Without the Jedi there cannot be Balance in the Force"
- Luke "The only truth that I now is it's time for the Jedi to end".​

I strongly believe (that regardless all the rest I'm discussing here), that Sidious didn't need Anakin to reach his goal: to become the Emperor, etc.
In Ep. I: he is already plotting.
In Ep II: we learn the clones army is under production from years. Thus Sidius is planning the Clone Wars from years.
Ep III: We know, he planned Order 66 without Anakin.
His goal would have been to destroy the Jedi, with or without Anakin. With his help, in the end, of course it was better. But he would have tried and probably succeed, anyway.

Let's say for istance that I'm right and Anakin wasn't supposed to existe by that time: the Clone Wars and Order 66 would have happened anyway.
The Jedi, would have been completely destroyed by the end of the PT era or soon after, it does not matter exactly when.

And no Anakin (at all, not even born), no Luke. Without Luke what would have Yoda and Obi Wan do or obtain? Little I think..
Becasue they were basically wrong about what was needed to win.

That would have been the right time for the Chosen One to come, to be born: to build up the Jedi Order again. That - perhaps - was the true meaning of the prophecy.
Maybe, "To Bring Balance" = "To Bring back the Jedi Order (a new one) into the Galaxy" because - in the words of Tekka - " Whithout the Jedi there could not be Balance".
And I belive this kind of interpretation (not to kill/destroy someone, but to do something "good") may fit better with the Jedi way.

And perhaps that's what leads Luke to believe what he now believes: erase what's left of the order, to let the Force find its way to build it up again.

I said elsewhere, I believe Luke came to this conclusion after Kylo's betrayal.
Kylo believes Balance = No Sith (in fact he's not a Sith) no Jedi, thus he had to do what he did to "finish what" Vader started.
Becasue of what happened with Kylo, Luke thought it was a mistake, and his mistake, trying to build the order again. That was not his duty. Thus he felt... guilt.

But... enters Rey. Who's she?

Before answering...

Why is the Force Tree such a big deal?
What does it represent? Not just in SW, but in mythology?
Knowledge, sure.
But also.... the Tree of Life.
Something that Campbell studied and we know how much Campbell's studies influenced SW.
If you want to know more about it, just google it, but just to say, here:
http://www.sacredearth.com/ethnobotany/sacred/worldtree.php

I'm only adding this (from a Campbell's quote)

"There is a certain tree where the souls of the shamans are reared, before they attain their powers. And on the boughs of this tree are nests in which the souls lie and are attended"​

Porgs nests on Ahch to?

Answering, about Rey...

Anakin's lightsaber called to her. But I don't think she's Anakin reincarnated (because of the Force Tree = the Life Tree).

But

- TFA novelization, just after the scene Vader vs Luke:

"A boy appeared at the end of the hallway. She started toward him, and the world turned inside out, causing her to trip and fall"​

She stared to a boy and the world turned inside out.

- "The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is haed".

I don't think she's Anakin's granddaughter.

I believe she was supposed to be his... mother.

But he came early, becasue of what Sidius and Plagueis did.
Therefore, if so, yes, the Anakin we know is somehow a creation of some dark users, but he was supposed to be the child of the force.
Of the Light Side of the Force (the ray of light that shines upon the books inside the tree we see in the trailer).

Now, from a story telling point of view you can manage this kind of things differently.
But there's no need, if you want to, to change what's been told so far.
You may say: the past has been already written.
If you think about Hodor in GOT, even if the sequence of events is the contrary, the principle is the same.
Things there are done, are past.
But the present is not what is was supposed to be.
Therefore, in this present (wich is not that from which Sidius and Plagueis "stole" the Chosen One, because everything changed)
the Chosen One - if they want to - can come.
Interesting enough.... the hero's journey in Campbell's view ends with the re-birth of the hero.

Yes, we saw Anakin ghost. That was meant as "his" re-birth.
It was symbolic, metaphorical. But now it may be "real".
And you may have 9 movies about the same story.
Full circle, start to end.
He came, he died, he came back. Explaing everything.
Applying the theory of the hero's journey to all saga, each trilogy - form Anakin's pov - will match with the 3 main acts of the jourey.

PT - I. Departure (also Separation),
OT - II. Initiation (sometimes subdivided into Descent and Initiation. In this case, you will get them both: Descent = death, Initiation = becoming one with the force)
ST - III. Return.

What if the last scene we are ever going to see, in ep. IX (closing a 9 movies saga)
will be a mother holding a baby in her arms perhaps not a sunset but at dawn... with that music?

I know I wrong. But if by chance I'm right... just remeber I said it first.

 

Colin Trevorrow: “I can’t [say] too many specifics, but [Leia] was really where I began when I started thinking what this story [of Episode IX] was gonna be. It was about her in a lot of ways. Obviously, you know, Rey is the hero and that’s the character who we’re tracking through these films but each one of them has had a character from the earlier trilogy who’s really been the keystone of the film and she was going to be. So it was very tragic and very sad for all of us beyond just the fact that we lost somebody that we all love. And it’s my responsibility now to find a way to honor her and keep her soul and her presence in the film without…without Carrie. It’s very sad.” “Yes. The ninth episode will wrap up [the sequel] trilogy.” (June 8, 2017)

Colin Trevorrow: “[The Book of Henry] is a big story and it’s an important story to tell. I think that for me to be able to do something that has this level of raw emotion as a family drama headed into the biggest family drama that we know [Star Wars] which also has its own raw emotion. I think that movies like this and Star Wars are the only films where a character can yell, ‘Noooo!’ and like you buy it. And you believe in it and it’s earned.” (June 8, 2017)

Colin Trevorrow: “I felt like on Safety Not Guaranteed, because it was kind of disguised as a mumblecore movie, I brought a different kind of sensibility into Jurassic World then I think I will bring into [Star Wars: Episode IX]. [The Book of Henry] is much more of a rich family drama, which is not dissimilar from [Star Wars]. I think having to force myself to confront my own fears as a parent, and really dig into places that I may otherwise not want to dig into and want to look away from. It’s where I have to go with [Star Wars] for it to be as emotionally resonate as it has to be. I have to find something deeply personal for myself in what I’m about to do or else it’s just going to feel shallow.” (June 12, 2017)

Colin Trevorrow: “I talk to my son constantly, in very literal terms, about what’s going on in the movies that I’m doing. I don’t want to say he knows a lot because I’m afraid the kids are going to start coming up to him at school, all like, ‘Tell me everything!’ [Laughs] But you know what really struck me? The most recent example of that is we took my daughter, who’s four, so I don’t talk to her as much about the movies just yet, but we took her to see Wonder Woman. My wife and I, and my son, we all loved it. It’s a great movie, but something else happened with her. She walked out of that theater, and I even tweeted a picture of her the other day – she had a very profound reaction to it. We thought it was a little long for her, and we weren’t sure if she was going to be a part of this, but she came out and was like, ‘I’m going to want to watch that every day, and I am Wonder Woman now.’ It was pretty stunning to see it happen. It’s important, that movie. It really is.” “It’s how it was with us [growing up]. Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia were all characters that we were able to identify with in various ways, and especially with the character of Rey and what she means to young girls right now, and the challenges that she’s up against. It is extremely crucial that I understand what actual children are feeling about these stories that we’re telling them, and I think it’s important that I have kids, and if filmmakers don’t have kids, they should go talk to them because they don’t see things the same way that we did when we were kids. So, yes, I am very dialed in to that because I think it’s a requisite of the job.” (June 12, 2017)

[QUOTES] Words From Production Members After The Release Of The Force Awakens

 

Do you have the link where Daisy Ridley said she saw the prequels first ?

Thanks a lot great archivist

 

I recall her saying that (not sure if she was talking about watching the movies in order for the audition process or not) but don't have a link onhand.

 

It makes a lot of sense to me.

Thanks.

 

I still think Leia should have been so much important in IX because of Kylo. I mean he's going to be redeem and she was supposed to play a key part about that.
That Said, if the ST is going to be about Anakin's grandchild , putting aside TFA, Rey Solo would have been from a story telling point of view ( in terms of characters arc) the best choise.
But TFA existes. And... any Solo or Skywalker solution needs so much explainations as any alternative theory we may think about.
The easer and most obvious answer would be she's Luke's child but he didn't Know about her. Easy.
But that's something we've already seen.
I don't Know...
If she's Rey Skywalker... You risk to do what's been already done.
If she's a Solo you may give the audience a less obvious solution. But to do that, you risk to let people think back at TFA (in retrospect) as a joke.... It's not the same thing Ep IV/Ep V. It won't be to me... How much time Han spend with her? And Leia... I wouldn't buy it. She's her mother (and she canno't know she had a daugther) and a Force sensitive...
I'm not saying it won't go like that. Just, if so I'll think back at TFA as a joke. Probably.

 

The ST's very structure points to Reylated. TFA was about Han and his relationship with his son while IX was going to focus on Leia and her relationship with her son. If Luke isn't Rey's father (and we already know the focus is on the relationship between Rey and Luke), then what are Ben/Kylo's parental relationships supposed to be contrasting with?

 

It is very worth stating... Excellent observation here.

 

Yes, I have to agree. This is a great observation. I'm open to whatever, but it's good point, and a different way to look at things in terms of Rey's heritage.