SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

please quote me the post were someone said Ben is not part of the family or related to Anakin, Luke or Leia.

I'm pretty sure you can't, because no one has said that (if they have, I agree with you, they'd being dumb). Ben relationship to these people is not in question. His last name is - Ben is a SOLO. His father is Han Solo, that make's Ben a Solo. He is still related to the Skywalker family, but he is a Solo. If the Episodes, which have been described as the SKYWALKER saga is to continue past Episode IX they need someone with the Skywalker name to be involved/at the center of it, because it is the Skywalker Saga, you don't tell the story of a family without someone with that family name in it.

I'll use an example I've used before and no one has addressed - you wouldn't make a movie called "Hatfield vs McCoy" and have Bill Dempsey and Perry Cline be the main characters, cause even though they were part of the feud you NEED a Hatfield and a McCoy to be your central characters because of the name.

 

That's not how they are doing it this time. This would not even be a debate if Ben was Luke's son.

Ben is a Solo by name, but he is a powerful Force user like Anakin and Luke and Leia. If this was just a Solo story, it would likely involve smuggling and getting into crazy situations. Ben wants to be like Vader. He has learned the ways of the Force, been seduced to the dark side, and is struggling with a constant pull to the light. This is what all Skywalker's have endured. This is what the ST is about, along with Luke and Rey's trials. If Ben lives, he will have children and continue the saga probably, but I think 3 Skywalker stories is a good place to end it. Have you ever thought that maybe his story is the final chapter?

 

"Leia Organa is not a Skywalker, she's a Organa, Ben Solo is not a Skywalker, he's a Solo, your family name = what you are !"

Lucasfilm has shown in the new canon that the bloodline is more important than family name, even if Rey is revealed to be "random" and Luke and Leia die in Episode 8 and no one has the "Skywalker" family name in Episode 9 it will still be a movie of the Skywalker saga because Ben is in it.

 

No, and it won't be when they reveal that Rey is his daughter. And should I assume you can't find the quote I asked for, and you and other will finally stop strawmaning the argument and saying "Ben is the part of the family" as if that is actually addressing the issues that people are bringing up?

What does his ability to use the force have to do with his last name? Why do you think the son has to be exactly like his father? Why do you think Ben looking up to his maternal grandfather = his last name changing?

"If the Episodes, which have been described as the SKYWALKER saga is to continue past Episode IX they need someone with the Skywalker name to be involved/at the center of it," - Reading for the win!

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Find me a quote of someone saying Ben is not part of the bloodline. Once you fail at that, feel free to join the discussion that is actually going on.

 

It's not about the Skywalker name. It's the Skywalker requirements that make the story.

If I may be bold, if a name matters more than the character's story, then I find that very sad.

 

So would you call a movie about Dempsey and Cline "Hatfield vs Mccoy" - its not about the name right?

If it wasn't about the name, they wouldn't call it the Skywalker Saga. This doesn't mean a character like Ben can't/won't play a role and be important, but you don't tell a generational story about a family, refer to that story by the last name of the family, and then drop the name.

 

Name me one SW movie that has Skywalker in the title then.

 

None - but the saga is refered too and has been called the Skywalker saga by the producer of the series.

The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga," she explains. "The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films. The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story. The Anthology films offer opportunities to explore fresh characters, new storylines and a variety of genres inside the Star Wars universe."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-force-awakens-kathleen-828680

"“I certainly foresee movies past nine. Whether or not we carry on the Skywalker saga… you know, George always intended nine movies, and whether we continue that or not is something we’re talking about right now. If the story warrants it, we’ll absolutely do it. If it actually inspires new ideas, then we’ll probably head in that direction. We just don’t know yet.”"

http://www.slashfilm.com/kathleen-k...r-saga-will-extend-past-star-wars-episode-ix/

 

That's exactly what I'm talking about. IX is it, and if they do more, it'll depend on the path they take when this saga is over, but it's obvious it was intended to end with Ben, not Rey. If Rey was planned to be a Skywalker, they probably would have not had to talk about it, knowing it would be easy to keep it going. Everything will depend on how IX ends, and Ben's fate. This does not mean Adam will play Ben in X and onward, it would be about his children.

We are watching a Skywalker saga right now in the ST through the eyes of Rey as her path is now intertwined with Luke's and Ben's.

 

I had a dream last night that TLJ was released early. The feeling inside the dream of knowing what happens was so nice. No more speculation, no more intense debates. Just peaceful acceptance of the film.

If George intended there to be nine movies, then that means the Skywalkers don't need to exist past episode 9. Ben Solo redemption/ sacrifice and Luke with no kids would tie off their story nicely. Rey can rebuild the jedi using the knowledge that Luke gathered. This trilogy has Luke, Leia and Ben as descendents of Anakin, that makes it a Skywalker saga.

 

We'll see, Kennedy hasn't said one way or the other yet, but this discussion only matters if they continue it on. As I said, reading for the win - "If the Episodes, which have been described as the SKYWALKER saga is to continue past Episode IX they need someone with the Skywalker name to be involved/at the center of it, because it is the Skywalker Saga, you don't tell the story of a family without someone with that family name in it."

I don't think its clear how the ST is going to end at this point - Rey could or could not be Lukes daughter, Kylo could or not be redeemed, Kylo could or could not die........

Says who? Maybe Daisy and Adam will start in Episode's X, XI & XII......

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But then he shortened it to 3, and re-expanded it to 6, and then went to 9 when he wanted to sell it. Georges "plans" are not exactly set in stone.

if they want to continue the Skywalker Saga past Episode IX (I suspect they will, lots of money there) they will. IF they decide to do something different, they will. If they decide to revisit after a rest, they will.

 

I doubt even VIII will really give us a straight answer. Whatever Colin has planned for IX could change everything or seal the deal. We know 9 were planned, and the rest depends on what the new guys decide.

 

To the a point - there is a story team for a reason. Its not like whats his face has total free reign to whatever he wants.

 

Yeah we know that from 2012 onward nothing has really changed at all, and Rian said Colin will just pick up where he leaves off, but this trilogy was likely set in stone long ago before they even cast anyone.

 

My guess/feeling is the writers/directors who come in for 1 movie are given the board strokes, the blue-print and then allowed some freedom to build within the given the framework, working toward the ultimate goal.

If you don't allow creative people any freedom, they won't want to work for you. But with a big brand thats connected to movies, tv shows, comics and novels - you can't give free reign either.

For example - Poe was originally susposed to die in TFA, but Abrams is the one who decided to keep him alive. it was a creative decision made by Abrams since it didn't conflict or cause issues within the greater framework of the storyteam.

 

Yes I remember reading about that. KK also said they moved things around order-wise, but didn't really change anything. This takes me back to that recent interview where the guy said Rey was always meant to relate to Obi-Wan in someway and I wonder if anything has changed or if it's still intended.

 

Um...no, George Lucas said the story of VII-VIII-IX started with Darth Vader's grandchildren. And Rayne Roberts claimed that they inherited Lucas's ideas into the story: "there are some familial connections we inherited from some of George [Lucas]’s original ideas and we moved some things around." And Kennedy said they change the order of some things from the Lucas treatment but didn't make some wholesale change. Kennedy and Horn and Iger call it the Skywalker family Saga while the people involved in making it say that Rey is intended as the main character in said story.

 

That does not make her a Skywalker or they are giving away the big secret by saying that, and I doubt they would reveal such a thing if it was intended to be a surprise. As I said above, Rey is intertwined with the Skywalkers. Like when you play a hero in a game and they get involved in the story involving a royal family or war or whatever, and they are chosen to save the word, but they are also involved with said royal family who the story is about.

 

Maybe they went with this Lucas idea ...

https://moviepilot.com/p/mark-hamill-spoils-the-last-jedi-twist/4255394

MH: "George has talked to me about doing something at the turn of the century in the last trilogy, but it wouldn't be on the same plane of existence."

 

Just one thing: if Rey is a "random" but is adopted by Luke in Episode 8-9 and takes the name "Rey Skywalker" she will be more a Skywalker than Ben Solo the true grandchild of Anakin ? What's more important in the Skywalker saga? The family name "Skywalker" or the Skywalker blood ?