SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

How so?
This honestly makes no sense to me.

 

Woah.

I'm not calling anyone a misogynist. I don't use that word lightly so don't put it in my mouth.

I want her to be connected to none of the OT cast so she can be judged on her own merit and not that of her father. That's literally all I'm saying.
I'm not from the US and where I'm from a woman's worth is inextricably tied to who her father is'. And when the poster I replied to commented that he wouldn't consider her story a "proper Star Wars movie" and just "fanfiction" unless she was Luke's daughter, I drew on my experience and stated that it was a problem that I perceived in the world around me.

Political statement? Really?

It was just something that I've seen happen time and time again where I live- a woman's story being discounted on the basis of who her father is, a woman's worth being judged depending on where she came from and not who she is. Stuff like that informs my desires and wishes for my favourite character as your own experiences no doubt shape yours.

That's all it is.

 

And it's a biased opinion.

I've explained my issues with this before. It doesn't matter if she is a woman or the character was a guy.

My issue is with having a new character be that "plot device" dues ex machina in the force/exceptional without being a Skywalker. Because being exceptional without training that suggests huge innate talent, beyond typical force users is part of the Skywalker storyline, and it starts with Anakin. Being born from the force.

So, unless Rey (or her male substitute, to your point) have a specific explanation as to why they are do innately talented in the force and why she is Anakin like in the force without being related to the bloodline the force created, yes, that sounds like fan fic to me. I will argue this hard.

I love the Anakin's story. I love how EVERYTHING that happens in Star Wars and the state of the galaxy from Ep. 1 to Ep 7 happens because of him and, to an indirect degree his family. So yeah, give a random character THAT kind of power, and THAT kind of influence on the force, there better be an in universe explanation as to why she is like that. Or he.

Otherwise, it's just another Darth Revan deal.

Fortunately, Rey will be a Skywalker. I refuse to believe they will deviate from continuity

 

I'm with those who think she's a Skywalker somehow. She can't be random girl IMO because she was clearly left alone on a remote planet and there had to be an important reason to do so (she was someone important from the very beginning). I also don't believe that Kylo Ren will "live happily ever after" because he killed Han Solo and that's unforgivable. So there are two options - the whole Skywalker line ends and Star Wars cease to be Skywalker's Saga or she is a Skywalker and the story continues. I really hope it's the second option because I don't want Skywalker line to end.

 

So again, as he said, you inaccurately assess my statement based on your previous understanding of people discrediting a woman's story. Understandable

But you are generalizing me with confirmation bias, yeah? Please, read my previous response. My comment, and opinion has absolutely nothing to do with Rey being a woman.

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I know, hence wanting an explanation.

My point is that if there is no blood relation and no explanation, then that's my issue.

(I'm fine with her being a Solo too).

 

While your point is a good one it only takes a plausible reason as to why Rey is as strong as she is to render it utterly moot. An explanation for Rey's power within the bounds of SW lore is far more plausible than explaining why Luke's (supposedly the most powerful Jedi to have ever lived) daughter ended up alone and unloved at the hands of Unkar Plutt.

Taking into consideration Luke's non existent relationship with his parents you would think his daughters well being would be pretty high on his agenda.

An explanation as to why she is so strong with the force IMO would be far easier to explain than Luke possibly being her father.

 

Ok, let's go through this piece by piece, shall we?

It's a biased opinion. Absolutely. So is yours. So is the opinion of everybody in this forum.

So have I. We both have issues with each other's ideas and that's fine. However, we have to admit that our wishes count for a pittance. LF isn't going to make decisions based on what the fans want to see. That's a slippery slope that they wouldn't want to tread. Any movie exec worth their salt would tell you as much.

See, that's the thing. I feel you're completely forgetting that Kylo Ren exists. He's a Skywalker. Rian's comments that "they're two halves of a whole" suggest that Kylo and Rey will be evenly matched as far as power goes. So your issue with her being exceptional is already moot. The Skywalker has it but so does this nobody. That raises the question of where the force comes from and what the force really is.


"Light. Darkness. Balance. It's so much bigger"

This movie and I think this trilogy is going to deal with the very nature of the force in a more mystical way than the PT. So to make it a genetic trait (which it isn't, considering FS beings can be born from non FS beings) would unnecessarily limit the scope of the force and limit the way it's used in stories going forward. Again this is my opinion, you're free to disagree.

Considering that it comes from a canon source- the movies, your argument is moot. Again. While you might tell me that you think it's poorly written or that you don't agree with the direction the story is being taken in, I doubt you can call it fan fiction. But those are just semantics. So nevermind that.

You don't call this a biased opinion?

See, that's my whole point. We see what we want to see and our arguments are always going to be coloured by that. So until the movie comes out all we have is speculation. So unless you have an inside source. Unless you are Rian Johnson.

Maybe prepare to be disappointed. Because "This is not going to go the way you think it is"

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If you think I misunderstood you, I apologise, wasn't my intention. I wasn't talking about you specifically but people in general (again, like I said, coloured by my own experiences)

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Even if she isn't connected to anyone in the OT her merits will still be judged on the basis of that of previous main saga characters (Anakin, Luke). That's how things work.

 

Her merits will be judged against that of the previous protagonists.

Which is fine.

It implies that they're being held to the same standard. Which is what I want. But if she was Luke's daughter, it's my belief and I may be wrong, that her merits will be judged on the basis of her being Luke's daughter and not just Rey herself. There's a distinction to be made.

 

Out of context Cantina post of the day.

 

Do I get something for it? A badge? A glass of blue milk?

 

Man, Undercover Boss: Starkiller Base is a gift that keeps on giving. It's canon as far as i'm concerned.

 

So? Where's the difference?

"The Force is strong in my family... My father has it..."

Even in the OT, Luke implies that he is powerful just because of his father. I really don't understand what's the problem. And no, that's not because I'm not a woman or blind to injustice around our own world. That's because I think people are overreacting.

 

so you're saying you and your parents have parallel stories? You're not making sense.

 

Eh? Sperm and eggs make babies. XX and XY chromosomes decide gender. All carried by males. That's not sexist, that's fact of life. Having a female reliant on another male is because you know females can make autonomous decisions without males, however they can't control who birthed and created them. This also works the same for males too.

How is having a daddy sexist? Come on.

 

I’m going to have to disagree with you pretty strongly there: Luke wasn’t brought into the story because of who he was (i.e. because he was the son of Anakin and a Skywalker) and absolutely made a choice. If Luke were to be brought into the story because of who he was, we’d have R2 and C-3PO crash on Tatooine and seek out Luke, not Obi-Wan.

In retrospect, we know now that Ben was always looking over Luke and always planned to teach him the ways of the Force: at that point, he believed him to be the Chosen One. However, let’s not forget Joseph Campbell’s Hero’s Journey/Monomyth, which was very clearly applied to both Luke’s and Rey’s introductory stories, has the hero-in-the-making called to adventure (Call to Adventure), only to reject it, and then later on accept it to one extent or another (i.e. Cross the Threshold).

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Luke is the one who makes the choice to seek out Ben Kenobi when he learns of R2’s hologram and the mission. When they find Ben, Luke is asked to leave for Alderaan, but Luke rejects the offer (Refusal of the Call). It isn’t until Luke returns to his family homestead and sees the smouldering skeletal remains of his uncle and aunt (an image that he initially rejects, before forcing himself to acknowledge what happened) that he accepts the call to adventure, and consequently Crosses the Threshold (he accepts the call spiritually, choosing to go on the journey, and he literally crosses the atmospheric boundary of Tatooine in heading for Alderaan).

Compare that to Rey. Rey makes the choice to help BB-8 get back to the Resistance, but once she literally Crosses the Threshold (by crossing the atmospheric boundary of Jakku) she rejects the Call to Adventure time and time again: she tells Finn and Han that she has to get back to Jakku; she later rejects the call by the lightsaber in Maz’s basement, and also rejects Maz’s offer of the lightsaber. But Rey doesn’t actually accept the Call to Adventure until much later on in the film (not surprising given she’s rejecting it in the second act of all places): in fact, she doesn’t spiritually accept the call until she makes the choice to pull the lightsaber in the snow away from Kylo Ren and to herself with the Force.

And this is where I think it gets really interesting. So, Luke spiritually accepted the call around the time of the end of the first act and Rey spiritually accepted the call around the end of the third act, which already shows a pretty distinct mirror between their journeys. However, there is a musical cue which can only be found included in the film (and not on the soundtrack) of TFA which further pushes along the parallels between Rey and Luke. It not being included in the soundtrack means that it wasn’t recorded for this film, that the version from ANH was retooled, and most importantly, that J.J. made the point to further the mirroring details between Luke and Rey by including this cue.

Take a listen for yourself:

My point is that both Luke and Rey very much each make the choice to go on their respective adventures. And their journeys very, very strongly mirror one another.

You’re forgetting one crucial detail...

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But seriously, we can’t make the argument that that isn’t still evident in the films now: besides ANH, TFA rhymes most with ROTS, and clearly mirrors shots from all of the other films at one time or another.

We have Kylo Ren seemingly going in the reverse of Anakin Skywalker’s descent into becoming Darth Vader by ascending into returning as Ben Solo. Likewise, we have Rey very clearly mirroring Luke’s journey in ANH (and at face value, she seems to be somewhat mirroring Luke’s journey in TESB in TLJ).

All I’m going to say is that it would be more confusing if Rey’s journey mirrors Luke’s and she isn’t a Skywalker than if Rey’s journey mirrors Luke’s and she is a Skywalker.

On a side note, I think Ben mirroring Anakin and Rey mirroring Luke is an indicator that we could very well be seeing the culmination of the Skywalker Saga in IX.

 

Fantastic post mate, really well argued and the nod to the musical cue similarity is genius and something I hadn't spotted.

I'm still very much on the Rey Random bandwagon for the simple reasons of Jakku and Unkar Plutt but I can't dispute your logic.

Great post.