SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

But how do you get black hair from brunette and now confirmed true redhead Han via Solo trailer?

And now I say the last Skywalker is broom boy.

 

I now understand how you've constructed your criticism.

In a galaxy as physically and culturally diverse as the one portayed in Star Wars, one might very reasonably expect the Force to choose rather differently all the time.

The Force is mysterious.

And Maybe there are more important things yet to be revealed about Rey.

Back in 2015 Kathleen Kennedy referenced Rey as "extremely significant":
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...character-extremely-significant-says-producer

My main hope is IX brings some strong closure to all the central questions raised in this trilogy.

 

Who is able to actually confirm in universe that Rey is a Skywalker?

Kylo Ren: Rey, you are my cousin. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
R2: Beep dwoop, whistle, record of Luke's wife giving birth, with her or Luke naming the baby Rey?

 

Exactly.

Rey is white brunette, with brown eyes just like Star Wars aristocracy women (Padme, Leia).

But hey-ho , we learned Star Wars became " progressive " and Force choses for main ultimate hero anyone,not Skywalker aristocracy but random, ...but in case this random is white brunette gril with English accent that looks like Star Wars aristocracy women, Padme and Leia.

Hypocrisy.

Problem is, if she is not Skywaker, they can not sell this hypocrisy of 2 drunkard scavanger parents as a progressive and honest message to people like me , and that is my problem, because I love Star Wars with all my heart.

Want random, they should do Rey truly,honestly random.

Otherwise , to avoid hypocrisy, such Rey is looking,in so much diverse galaxy with so many options for main hero, will be that she is a Skywalker.

 

Using that criteria, then Jyn Erso and Qi'Ra would also be Skywalkers by blood since they are white brunette and with British accents.

And ironically, that way he would finish what his grandfather started.

Exactly!! Some people doesn't realize this is the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker and his conflicted legacy. However, this was even more marked when Lucas decided in 1981 to make Leia Luke's sister. Beforehand she was already special not because of her birthright, she was special because what she decided to do.

The beauty of having Ben Solo/Kylo Ren as the last Skywalker by blood is to show how different your legacies can be - either be the son and grandson of renowned characters or be no-one - but anyhow the Force chooses you to fulfill a purpose. To actually bring balance.

 

In my eyes it would be far more superior if Luke has once met a Force sensitive woman from forgotten planet Lew'el and he had a daughter with her, than everything crumbled in a dissaster making Luke loosing faith in the Force, but the Force has carried their lost child thought to be dead trough life and against all improbabilities and odds,for her to came back to Luke at the end and fix the built-in "error" which was in the Skywalkers blood.

Wouldn't be perfect if Rey , since she is already perfect, is actually perfected Skywalker, a daughter of women belonging to ancient people, people who were the source of the original knowledge about the Force, united with Skywalker blood into a person that can truly resist the Dark side and bring the balance?

Old and new united in perfection in our Rey, not by the aristocratic rule of ancestry, but by the will of the Force, which once brought Anakin into life in the first place,to balance and perfect the things at the end, including Skywalkers.

This is so much above 2 drunkards solution that I realy feel I could cry loudly if nobody can see it.

Story group has such powerful story (Lew'el) on their disposal, I pray someone will acknowledge its potential.

 

So nicely said!

Something about this reminds me of something I had thought of a while back concerning the so-called "Son of the Suns" Whills prophecy in Star Wars in light of Yoda's suggestion of "a prophecy misread."

One possible meaning I saw in "son of the sun" is the more general "hero of the day"...

so this...

"... And in the time of greatest
despair there shall come a savior,
and he shall be known as,
The Son of the Suns."​

could become this:

"... And in the time of greatest
despair there shall come a savior,
and this person shall be known as,
The Hero of the Day."​

Source: The Journal of the Whills, 3:127
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Journal_of_the_Whills/Legends
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Son_of_Suns/Legends​

Another thing your "the Force chooses you" comment reminds me of is:

the Force, to me, always seems to be searching, and in a way just like Anakin, Luke, and Rey, off to horizons, and yet very much aware of where it is and what it is doing.

And yet the Force might even seem a little "reckless" at times, at least on the surface. (I can just hear Yoda giggling in the background.)

The Force itself certainly seems to "know" the Skywalkers were neither the beginning nor the end of the Force, as there were many Force-sensitives before and after, and so, perhaps, there is a growing need within this trilogy to broaden the scope beyond the Skywalkers and to embrace a larger view not even Palpatine would have expected or understood.

So, Rey, despite any physical similarities (which were perhaps utilized, in part, as a matter of misdirection), in not being a Skywalker, is perhaps a decision by the Force to move beyond the Skywalker circle and "try its luck" with "another."

I say this, and Yoda and Obi-Wan quickly remind:

"Do or do not; there is no try."

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck."

Well, you probably know what I mean

 

Quoting Melisandre from Game of Thrones: "Prophecies... are dangerous things."

But I can see your point. We can be heroes... just for one day.

Oh totally! Quoting Jocasta Nu in the Darth Vader comic:

"The Force is eternal. It cannot be ended, it cannot be stopped, not so long as life exists. It will find its vessels. It always does. It already has... you know this. There are others, waiting, out in the galaxy. When the time is right... the Jedi will rise again."

Oft expectation fails and most oft there
Where most it promises, and oft it hits
Where hope is coldest and despair most fits.

William Shakespeare, All's Well That Ends Well

 

I don't think Ben should be redeemed. Not everyone can be saved, not everyone should be forgiven. He's the villain now. He is who has to be defeated.

 

This is why I’m glad TLJ ended with ‘broomboy’. Hope is the counterbalance to despair. Luke may be gone, but his legend will endure and continue to bring hope to the hopeless. Even in death, he continues to battle the darkside by combating the despair of the galaxy. It was a lovely send off.

 

Well Rey's father is Darth Plagueis and of course with Ben killing him in TLJ. I mean Snoke.

 

You got one. His name is Ben Solo.

Blood is thicker than water. Also...look at it from the bright side...at least he hasn't choked unconscious his pregnant wife...because that would be a really big shame, not a Skywalker....oh wait ;P

Who are "we"? The illuminati?

Except she isn't one. One can't be a Skywalker by name only. Unless is married to one. Snoke tells you quite clearly who has the Skywalker blood in the ST.
A question..How did Sidious know that Luke is Anakin's son? He was so strong in the Force that he felt it? Well...Snoke is by far more adept in the Force than Sidious ever was. Dont't you think he would not have seen it?

So that Luke is not left with the stigma of a shitty father who abandoned his child
There is NO plausible story which excuses him for allowing his child to grow up with Unkar Plutt.

 

sadly had to change my vote to 'no'. What a waste.

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instead he is sadly now seen as a coward, who did run away. Not really better.

 

There is a difference between chosing not to fight and being a coward.

For myself, Luke never was more realistic than he was in TLJ. Lightsabers are not magic wands that magically solve problems. Were you not listening to what he was saying? Being a Jedi is more than being a myth or a legend. It is, should be about finding the inner balance within one self, then use the power that arises from that to selflesly help others, not just by doing everything for them but also by inspiring them to help themselves, to be more proactive, to be less selfish or selfcentered. And that's exactly what he did in the end.

I thought his story arc was beautiful. I never once percieved him as a coward. Did you?

 

Nightangel has a big connection to Luke and doesn't really like the direction they took the character. there's no arguing them out of it, trust me.

i, however, agree with your assessment. i thought TLJ was a great movie. i am still a liiiiiittle confused as to why Luke lit up his 'saber while sensing the evil within Ben, but overall the arc was great.

 

Everyone's connection to Luke is equally important. While I respect giving personal opinions and views and can understand the high butthurt levels can make people feel entitled to blatter out nonsense, giving generalized absolutist statements that coerce other people's opinions and not acknowledge them is a sign of weakness of charachter. In my opinion.

We make mistakes. And we fail. And we get ashamed of the things we did. Very often those mistakes/misjudgements are more intense when it comes to people we are close with, like our family or loved ones. Because the stakes are higher if we are emmotionally invested. Our fears of them being bad are bigger. Sure, one can say that Luke behaved out of chatachter with Ben because he wasn't like that with his father who is closer to him than his nephew. But I ask you this. Was Vader really closer to Luke just because they shared a stronger familial bond? He never knew his father until esb. They never had a relationship. He didn't grow to love him like he most assuredly loved his nephew, who he got to see when he was an innocent child. And when you are faced with the possibility that the one you love could be twisted and evil you react more distraught than you would be for an astranged father.
That's what Luke's failure is. He didn't have faith in Ben and because of that Ben felt he had no other choice but to turn to the dark side. The feeling of abandonment is a mighty motivator.

That's why I think that the purpose of their final confrontation was not for the sake of the rebels. If it was then Luke would tell them: I go stall him you run.
The purpose of it was to let Ben know that he won't fail him again. Because he will not abandon him, but be with him always. Because. We don't win by fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love.

 

This all come down to worldview. Every one of us have different ones one way or the other.
Chise, you use Rose's words to justify your explanation. Whereas I think those words are the purest garbage ever. Our disagreement regarding the words are worldview differences. Therefore neither of us are wrong. It is what it is.

The problem with the film 9 is that after Carrie, therefore Leia's death, no one left is related to Luke.
Them poor droids is probably working the spice mines of kessel. Rey only cares for BB8 now.

 

Maybe a Porg is related to Luke. Would be funny our new Porg hope.

 

Hey Darth, if you want to discuss with me please quote or tag me because otherwise I get no knowledge of your reply unless I return to the thread. I already missed one of your replies in a thread that is now locked. I reply to people, I am not a rude person

Why do you think Rose's words are pure garbage?
You would rather fight the things you hate instead of saving the things you love?
Apart from being completely unconstructive, how is that a right choice?

Ben is related to Luke. He is not only blood but family too. Perhaps the reason why Ben Kylo idolizes Vader has more to do with the fact that Luke believed in him even when he was evil, than it has to do with Vader's powers. Perhaps all Kylo Ren really wants is gor Luke to forgive him. Maybe that is why it is so important to him that the truth about what happened at the Jedi temple be known.

 

I don’t think the idea of this trilogy being about Vader’s Legacy is well defined. We are given so much little backstory or context about the world around them that it makes the story feel muddled and just a retreated of Empire vs Rebels. Yes Ben Solo likes his grand dad but that’s it, we don’t know how else the legacy of Vader has affected the galaxy. We have to read a book to figure it out.

I feel Rey being a Skywalker was the way it should have gone based on TFA. If they really wanted Rey to not be a Skywalker, then don’t have a lightsaber that shows up for no reason pop up randomly. Give Rey a random lightsaber and give her a last name in TFA, clearly establish that she’s not related to anyone we know and that she’s her own person.

The only way Rey could be a Skywalker and would work would have been in Episode 8. She would have to be mad at Luke and then go off. Luke couldn’t have known about her. Rey would then accept that she’s of this cursed bloodline and then not care because she wasn’t raised by them, she was raised on her own. She is who she is because of her actions.

The reason I was hoping for Snoke to be Plagueis is not because of fan fulfillment but rather that it would completely destroy the Chosen One concept. If Anakin was created by Plagueis, which is heavily implied then the Skywalker lineage is not royal bloodline but a haunted heritage. It would have challenged the chosen one concept because the Jedi falsely put their hopes on Anakin, thought to be the Chosen One, but that was their undoing. If an evil wizard actually created the chosen one then it was just a trap and a ruse to destroy the Jedi. And if evil is always coming back, then the Chosen One is just a false prophecy