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Jakku = Tatooine

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Fallon Tagge, Apr 29, 2015.

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Jakku is...

  1. Just a codename

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  2. Tatooine renamed

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  3. A new planet

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  4. Something else (discuss!)

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  1. Rebo

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    On the surface that's true. But if you admit Jakku is Tatooine, then you will be asked why. Lets say for a second the scientifically ridiculous idea of one of the suns being blown up were true. (Although I'm more inclined to believe that if they were truly hiding the origin of the name change, then JJ likely didn't show the second sun on purpose to maintain the charade) What could do that? Maybe the super weapon the First Order is rumored to have, or maybe even the rebels? That would be something worth hiding. Or maybe Tatooine was conquered and renamed by a third party or war lord that is yet to be revealed? Maybe the devastation we see on Tatooine/Jakku goes back to those old rumors of Luke becoming too powerful and causing destruction resulting in him going into exile. Maybe Jakku is named after Luke the destroyer in some native tongue.

    But in the end I think the more likely scenario (and I'm rationalizing this out as I type this) is that Jakku is not Tatooine. And it is specifically not Tatooine for a very specific reason. To make a thematic point.

    Remember the whole Disney commercial "remember this planet" that made everyone think it was Tatooine? Gonna go a little conspiracy nutty here. What if that language was specifically chosen to fit the idea of Jakku. Remember this planet. Remember these storm troopers and Tie Fighters, and desert marketplaces filled with funny droids and aliens. Remember of young hero staring out into the desert longing for greater things? It all seems so familiar and like we are re-entering the OT.

    But this is not Tattoine. Its not the empire and rebels. This is not your parent's Star Wars. It may look like it at first glance, but scratch just beneath the surface and the illusion falls apart. A new planet. New factions. New insignias. New droids. Storm Troopers are heroes. Everything is off. Everything is different. To me that is a pretty strong reason to make a new desert planet so similar to Tatooine. A message that says don't expect this movie to be exactly what you think. Maybe Rey isn't a Skywalker. May Poe isn't our Roguish rascal. Maybe Kylo-Ren's motivations aren't all evil. Maybe Luke's aren't all good. It opens up a world of possibilities and demands that you throw away your assumptions for what you think the movie will be.

    So, long story short (too late). I can see it working either way as long as the proper reasoning behind it exists.
     
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    "The proper reasoning" - that's it in a nutshell.

    I don't think there are many people out there who would argue with the fact that having a new planet that is almost an exact duplicate of another planet that has appeared in 5 of 6 previous films is bizarre.

    So there must be a reason one way or the other. And a VERY VERY good one.

    If the reveal was going to be a surprise in the film - we all go in thinking it's Tatooine but it's actually Jakku - they wouldn't have announced it was Jakku at Celebration.

    What they have done is interesting - I don't understand why JJ wouldn't have elaborated a little bit. One sentence would have done it - "Yeah it's not Tatooine it's Jakku. There's a really good reason it's another planet - and you'll find out in December".

    He didn't - just put it out there. And he acted all shifty when he said it. Coupled with Daisy's expression when she talked about it - it just struck me as very odd.

    So in my mind there is a reason we need to think it's Jakku and the big surprise/reveal is that it is actually Tatooine.

    Do I really really want it to be Tatooine? No not really. What I really, really want is for there to be a really, REALLY, REALLY good reason that it isn't.
     
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    Thanks for the link - but it doesn't change anything of the above if you read my original points. All this info was available when I wrote it.

    Also somebody needs to edit this to add the SSD that is also crashed on the planet. ;-)
     
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    No, I read all of your original points, and it's just my personal opinion that here and by the poll at the top...it's a different planet.

    Regarding the Wookiepedia edit; I'll pass that along. I know 3 LFL guys that write for WP and I will let them know the error. ;)
     
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    This is all so confusing. So, the desert planet battle featured in the Battlefront game is Jakku, but with Boba Fett (not too important) and Jawa sandcrawlers (a lot stranger) in it?
     
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    No, that's been verified as being as Tatooine....despite the background image of the SD that appears exactly like the Jakku shot. That's one of the big debates here....
     
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    They've said that the scene with Boba Fett, the sandcrawler, and the crashing Star Destroyer in the Battlefront preview was actually Tatooine - not Jakku. The Battle of Jakku release wasn't shown in the teaser.

    But somehow the crashing SD looks exactly the same and same camera angle as the crashed SD on Jakku in the second film teaser. Hence my ongoing "hmmm"

    EDIT: What Trevor said
     
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    Ah... I misunderstood the Wookiepedia article. Never mind... The scene in the Battlefront trailer is on Tatooine (despite the identical Star Destroyer crashing). Never mind me, I'm easily confused :p
     
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    true but:
    It doesnt look the same to be honest, just look at the angle of the SD and the lansdscape, not even close. From those pics we have, Tatooine and Jakku doesn´t look alike ok they have sand somwhere.
     
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    Although we're also comparing a video game and a film and the SD in the video game is not fully crashed yet. Just to cover the bases. ;-)
     
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    Right, and the Battlefront Tatooine shot has vegetation whereas the TFA Jakku shot doesn't.
     
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    oh now its getting desperate;). They pretty nailed Hoth and named in Hoth, they nailed the Endor setting (uh.. Vader?) and namend it Endor in their Dev Diary and they nailed Tatooine and called it Tatooine, it doesn´t get more obvious the this.

    yep and even if you add sand on all those rocks in the Tatooine shot, the landscape looks still different.
     
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    Um... I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I didn't understand any of this... Sorry, but, come again, please?
     
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    I totally understand where you are coming from. But isn't the very, very good reason simply this:

    Desert planet. Jungle planet. Ice planet. Swamp planet. City in the clouds planet. Forest planet. Sprawling metropolis planet. Underwater city planet. Grassy plains planet. City built on the water planet. Rocky termite mound planet. Sinkhole planet. Lava planet. Ash planet. Cities built on weird hanging bridges planet. Garish alien fauna planet. Civilization in an asteroid planet. Swiss alps with impressive architecture planet.

    They've kind of shot their load already in terms of environments, haven't they...?

    Salvage community built around the vast wreckages of dormant capital ships and fighters from a historic battle planet.
    This is actually pretty new, isn't it?
    What is the backdrop to those wreckages? Water? Snow? Jungle? Grassy plains? Rocks? Lava? Swamp? Wouldn't any of those options have prompted similar cries of "It's Yavin. It's Dagobah. It's Geonosis. It's Alderaan." And so on.
    What would be most fitting appearance for an abandoned, war-ravaged planet, regardless of whether seen it before? And do you want your opening act, the one that establishes your leads, to be set on some neon, fantasy, CGI-dependent planet, just for the sake of being original? Because it seems to me the basic environments Earth has to offer are wearing thin when it comes to Star Wars, six movies down the line.

    The fact that it ended up being "a desert" is - to quote David Lynch - the hole, you are supposed to be looking at the donut...
     
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    i was just referring to this vid. at 0:30min
     
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    [QUOTE="Rieekan, post: 81252, member: 1861"
    yep and even if you add sand on all those rocks in the Tatooine shot, the landscape looks still different.[/QUOTE]


    There's this though...30 years...

    [​IMG]

    I'll jakku beating this dead horse... ;-)
     
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    I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately and I believe it is still Tatooine just renamed.

    They look absolutely identical. In the event that they decide to go to Tatooine in VIII or IX it's going to be extremely confusing to the audience if the planets are nearly identical. I feel as though it has been renamed as well.

    Episode I began on Tatooine
    Episode IV began on Tatooine
    Episode VII *might* begin on a planet that looks identical to Tatooine but isn't.. - why?

    Showing the transformation of a classic planet would be awesome, this will help us get the feeling that things have been really tough since ROTJ and the Battle of Jakku - it will really hit home.

    As mentioned in the first post check out JJ and Daisy's reaction when they announce that it's Jakku.. something seems a bit odd, and they don't mention anything about it looking similar to Tatooine or it not being Tatooine, they just say that it's Jakku.
     
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    There's this though...30 years...

    I'll jakku beating this dead horse... ;-)[/QUOTE]


    Yeah wandering sand dunes, i know, but that doesn´t fit with the large plain area where rey is with her speeder in the teaser.

    ok i´m out.
     
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    Keep in mind that a crashed upright Star Destroyer can either list to the left or the right.... so you have a 50 percent chance that a crashed SD on one planet will be the same as the other. So is it really that big of a deal that a crashed SD on Tattooine looks similar to one on Jakku? (And then,doesn't it also make sense that game makers would use plates they have been provided from TFA of a crashed SD rather than completely re-illustrating it?)

    In other words, don't read too much into the similarity of two crashed SDs...
     
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