Kylo is a Liar

"Sudden force powers" there's some explanation for this-Rian has highlighted than when she read Kylo's mind in TFA she caught onto some Jedi training techniques like mind persuasion and Luke did teach her to levitate rocks with her mind. Ironically, the only skills she needed to save the resistance at the end, but I digress. It's a weak explanation but it's there.

As for light sabre skills, she grew up in a desert and had some skills in hand to hand combat with her staff and was self trained. So she's used to training by herself and wielding lightsabre was only a logical step from a staff.

 

"What's in there?"
"Only what you take with you."

 

Yeah cause that's totally not stupid at all.

 

She should've taken a case of beer with her! Would've been funny to watch dozens of Rey clones drink the same can of beer and then burp!

That, or do a conga line with herself. That's what i'd do.

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PT writing at its finest.

 

Yeah, sort of a weak explanation, LOL. I can buy that her upbringing, and having to defend herself with the staff helped with the light saber skills. The rest, I refuse to just buy into, even though I'm supposed to accept it all without question.

 

Fair enough. I just tried to answer your post the best I could. I don't think they are the greatest arguments as well. But better than nothing.

Oh I know a better one. It was "midchlorians". Somehow

 

Yes, anybody can be a hero. But anybody can not be a skilled jedi knight without any kind of meaningful training.

 

It is interesting though.

• Kylo says insignificant, forget the past. (He may have good Jakku intel or be mislead by Snoke because reasons.)
• Cave says not applicable, focus on self. (Maybe just to reveal weakness or maybe to taunt/foster curiosity/weakness for further manipulation.)

It can certainly read as though the dark is pushing a narrative of inconsequential parentage. I can see why that may lead people to wonder if there is an ulterior motive at play.

 

I think the story indicates that Rey has always had the force and has always, in some way, tapped into it, but the Awakening that occurred in TFA manifested a more cognizant and direct control of those powers. Rey has a natural ability to let the force guide her actions, like Obi Wan was trying to teach Luke. It was happening almost without her acting on it. That's sort of the true, unfiltered nature of the force.

I do with this script had expanded on that, as it's been pretty heavily implied.

Of course, we're also supposed to accept that Luke learned how to duel well enough to eventually defeat Vader after only a single lesson on board the Falcon with the drones in ANH!

 

Of course anybody can be a hero, that is not the problem, the problem is her extreme ability with the force and fighting skills, even Anakin who was described as conceived by the force itself took many years of training to achieve similar levels, it's a matter of consistency and coherence with the rest of the saga,

 

I hope you didn't think that I wasn't attempting to argue, because I wasn't at all. I got what you're trying to say, I just find those explanations weak. And the midichlorians was dumb, but so is the current crap being pushed.

 

It'll be up to JJ on whether or not Kylo was lying.

 

Before I start, I want to make something very clear: I’m not at all saying that Rey is a Skywalker, or a Solo, etc. I’m not saying that she’s not a Random, nor am I saying that you should put any stock in this.

All I want to suggest is that even if she is a nobody - which as many have rightly pointed out is what she pretty much states - that doesn’t mean that we can take Kylo’s words as wrote. Yes, he has a connection to Rey planted by Snoke, but there was nothing in that connection which suggested that they could probe each other’s minds (otherwise Rey likely would have found out about the misunderstanding between Kylo and Luke in their past, for instance) to the point that Kylo knew who her parents were and that they pawned her off. In the context of their connection, this is an incredibly precise statement, considering many things which they see are left rather vague (such as Ben turning/not bowing to Snoke, and Rey turning to join Ben).

He doesn’t seem to be a trustworthy source, especially at this point in the film: he is trying to convince Rey, above all else, to join him. He manipulates her, saying that she is nothing, before saying that she is not nothing to him, much like he tried to convince her that she needed a teacher at the end of TFA.

There could yet be ways in which her randomness has been misinterpreted, by both us, the audience, and by Rey and Kylo.

 

No. No. I'm sorry if you thought I was arguing. I was just trying to help. You sounded frustrated in your post. That's all.

Midchlorians was just a joke IMHO. Like in canon.

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Ah, in that she still is a nobody but her parents are out there somewhere. I like it.

 

No problem! I am certainly frustrated that the non-explanation we got for Rey was the explanation... if that makes sense.

 

Perhaps this isn’t the place...but I think I understand where George was coming from with the whole midichlorians angle (i.e. science had become more important than religion; it was an unfair meter to gauge whether one was worthy of being a Jedi or not from birth, etc.).

I think the prequels have many major problems (despite still finding great enjoyment in them), but I don’t think that is one of them. How they were introduced and handled? Possibly: exposition is a writer’s worst enemy.

 

It does. And it's a valid viewpoint to have. I get your frustration if I do not 100% share it.

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Midchlorians is not even in the top 50 things that are wrong with the prequels.

Exposition is tough. Amen to that.

 

I never understood the problem with midichlorians, I always understood that a person has a large concetration of midichlorians because he is strong in the force and not the other way around. What I mean is the force is the cause of this physiological change that can be measured.
I also don't see problem in mixing the supernatural with science, to me the supernatural is simply phenomena which science is still too far away from beginning to comprehend but that still can be explained scientifically.

 

I entirely agree!

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And she and Phasma are long lost twins! Aaaaaahhhhhh nyuk nyuk!