Kylo is a Liar

He received tutelage from Yoda as well before going to face Vader and lost. Then, he trained for another year in order to face Vader again.

 

What you don't realize is that there were two shadows that combined into her in that cave. there is more. Rey is something special one way or the other, it's not just some nobody parents that she had.

We will find this out in the next one I am sure.

 

Exactly, and Luke also got his ass kicked by Vader the first time even after Yoda's training. Which is a big difference from our wonder girl Rey.

 

Why should Kylo lie though? He never lied to her before. This movie made it clear to me: Kylo hates lies and the past.

 

I think the parents being nobodies was a major message of the movie, that her destiny was in her hands. I don't think this will be proven wrong in ep 9. In the event I'm wrong, I still don't think kylo lied, I think he honestly believes this, as rey clearly also does, the liar would be snoke who would've caused them to get this information.

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It's possible episode 9 could shed some light on why she developed her force powers so fast

 

Instead of asking how Rey got so good without any training, perhaps we should think of it this way - The Force tries to maintain balance. As Kylo Ren grew stronger in the Dark Side the Force poured more power into Rey, the chosen vessel for the Light Side. The more Snoke trained Kylo Ren, the more potent Rey's dormant powers became.

And Luke turning his back on the Force just meant more Light Side power for Rey.

There was no formal training but none was required. The Force moves through her not because of anything special about her or her parentage, but simply because the Force is balancing its Light and Dark halves.

 

Snoke deceived Kylo and Rey. Kylo Ren deceived Snoke and Hux. It's not a surprise if he'd do the same to Rey to turn her to the dark side.

 

Let me first say that I really like 7 & 8 because further along you'll probably think otherwise by what I'm about to say. (On my list they are in the middle to bottom but I love all Star Wars (OT, PT and all!))

Ok, if Rey is a nobody then that's fine, but if that's the case then this current trilogy should not be presented as Episode 7-9, but instead be presented as the first spinoff trilogy. The Rey Random Trilogy: A Star Wars Story. (I'm being sarcastic but you get the idea).

You say that you loved the reveal because it shows that lineage isn't important. That doesn't stand in an Episodic story that George Lucas, Kathleen Kennedy, JJ and all have all said is about the Skywalker Saga.

Yes, you can make an argument that "Episode" 7-9 is still a part of the Skywalker Saga because of Kylo/Ben, but this is much more Rey's story. That's made clear with both titles so far, The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, directly referencing Rey. She is the protagonist, it's her story and Kylo/Ben is a supporting part. In a Skywalker Saga a Skywalker should not be playing the supporting part. The mere presence of a Skywalker doesn't make it a Skywalker story, otherwise Rogue1 would be considered a Skywalker story since it has multiple members of the family.

As I said, really enjoy 7 & 8 it's just that where we are now I don't see how they fit nicely into the overall story in the way that 1-6 fit together. After watching TLJ I now view 1-6 as the Episodic/Skywalker Story and the ST as Rey's Story, a great story but a separated story nevertheless.

I love debating these kinds of things in a friendly way and I actually hope that when 9 is released that I am very wrong and will have to eat my own words, that when when the credits for 9 begin to roll I will be able to happily see how 1-9 all come together as one great cohesive story. Now for the two year wait!

 

Something inside her has always been there. She’s said it. We’ve heard it hundreds of times because that line was in the trailer.

In TFA, she’s in denial. She even sounds like it when she says “they’ll be back, one day”.

She’s so pure of heart and so untainted that the force chose her. Despite her parents abandoning her, she still was so loyal and optimistic and trusting. She was the perfect vessel for the Force to counter Kylo.

In many ways, this is better than the force just spitting out Anakin. Choosing someone pure of heart and with great courage to embody the power of the light side is so much better.

 

Imo is not a matter of what is better but of consistency within the saga, the force "spitting out" Anakin to balance itself means that the force just like any other universal law works in a certain way it still needed to give birth in a natural way, why if not didn't the force imbue with the force any of the thousands of jedi's already living at that time or any other person already born?

 

i think what's interesting about Ben is that you have to let go of preconceptions about the Dark side with him.
he wasn't "raised" in the Dark, Snoke's seduction was indeed half-truths, but as @NinjaRen said above, it's very clear that he hates lies and liars.
he considers himself pure in a way, by embracing what he thinks is his natural Darkness (partly because of Snoke's corruption and partly because let's face it, we all have a little Dark in us). what he lacks is balance.

he also very specifically denounces both Jedi and Sith; he's smart enough to understand that both extremes are paths to failure.
he just doesn't have the stability to be the thing in the middle.

so no, i don't think he's "playing on" her fears intentionally. he's trying to tell her that he understands her fears and that they don't have to be afraid together.
to go back to TFA: "don't be afriad. i feel it too."

 

I may be going down a rabbit hole and reading way too much into this Kylo and Rey thing. Here is my theory.

I think Rey and Kylo are force brother and sister. I feel there is a Morris connection to all of this. I don’t necessarily think it is something that they will explain to the general public.

I could try to explain further, but it could get really long. If you haven’t scene the Morris arc from Clone Wars, give it a look.

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Mortis...curse you automatic spelling.

 

Could Kylo be lying? Of course, but why? Obi-Wan had a reason to deceive Luke. If Kylo knew she was related to a major character what's the point in lying to her?

 

Maz Kanata: Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku... they're never coming back

[The Last Jedi, after Snoke's death]
Kylo: say it
Rey: *confirm they were nobodies*


"Has the relentless speculation about Rey's parents bothered you?"
DR: No, but for me this whole thing is not necessarily about where any of us come from. It's about where we’re going.

"You once said that you thought the answer was totally clear inForce Awakens, right?"
DR: Yeah, I did! After the premiere, I was with my agent, my lawyers, my hairdresser who is also my really good friend, and my publicist. And they were all saying stuff and I was like, "Wait, what?" I was so confused, because again, as someone who already knew the answer, I was so confused by their questions. But who am I to say what people should and shouldn't be interested in? [Rolling Stone, december]


"Ridley says Rey will ultimately find the answer — and discover that it doesn’t matter that much. It won’t change who she is, or at least who she wants to be." http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/11/the-last-jedi-rey-family/

 

The end shot of the force sensitive kid with the broom says it all folks. Peasant, farmer, scavenger...doesn’t matter. Rey is the first of the new Jedi.

 

He could hold that over her and use it to manipulate her. At that point, who could it be that it wouldn't push her further to the darkness? Han and Leia? All this time and they said nothing? Luke refused to train his own daughter?
On top of abandoning on Jakku....
That would push her over the edge. And Kylo knows it. But he doesn't. He tells her the painful truth.

 

Anakin was chosen. Rey IS A nobody.

 

The only lie he could be telling her that makes any difference to the story is that he killed her parents. He certainly wouldn't want her to know that. I don't see how if she is a cousin/sister holding that back would make any difference.

 

A slave boy on a desert planet..a nobody and nothing wrong with Rey being a nobody.