Kylo is a Liar

So even early on he's trying to manipulate Rey before they ever touch fingers and later he goes and tries to manipulate her some more on the ship. He'd already made his mind up.

 

Gotcha, thanks.

 

Thank you for finding/posting that! Appreciate it.

I think it certainly points towards the truth being exactly as Kylo explained it. There's a little bit of vaguness in his statement and he leaves the door cracked for other possibilites, but don't think that will be the case even though that's what I want.

Lucasfilm has always been very secretive about plot details and not responding to fan theory. One exception however was when they came out and directly ended the Snoke is Plagueis theory. I wonder if there will be a similar situation where in an interview in the coming months/years before 9 there will be a more direct statement, "Rey is from no-one. End of story", thus ending the speculation once and for all.

 

It can't be any clearer what RJ is saying. He wrote it. As it stands the door is firmly shut on this unless JJ decides to change it. The question now is why would JJ change the path? What would it bring to the story? The theme of The Last Jedi couldn't be any clearer. Why would JJ change it?

I'm all ears if someone has a compelling reason why Rey has to be related to a major character, but I've yet to see one.

 

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Bcuz they killed muh Skywalkerrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

But seriously, I'm with you. I could probably come up with one if given enough time but off the bat, I love the "it doesn't matter where you're from but what you do" kinda vibe RJ has goin on. Shucking the royalty bloodlines. (Suck it people who want me to care about a Royal wedding )

 

could still happen ~ hahahahahahaha

 

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That's actually a jab at people who keep posting ish on Facebook and Twitter about the ginger prince and tv star

 

Of course he's a liar. Her parents lived in that village FO attacked at the beginning of TFA. And since Kylo ordered to kill all the villagers there and now feels guilt (after he found out they lived there), he has to lie like the most fanatic fake news TV station.

 

That doesn't really make anything he said untrue.
They still probably sold her off.
They are dead.
They are buried in the desert.

 

If Rey's parents were really nobodies why haven't they shown us the faces of Rey's parents?

I don't think Kylo lied to Rey about her parents. He personally believes that is the only truth, as RJ said in his interview but that doesn't make it true. It's not a matter of him lying, there is clearly something else happening here and we are all being purposefully mislead.

Perhaps Kylo was lied to? We don't know exactly how Kylo came across the information of Rey's gambling, drunkard parents. We are made to believe that he read it from Rey's mind but when he says to Rey "admit it, say it" she doesn't confirm that her parents were nobodies, she is confirming her fear that they are nobodies. Rey doesn't know who her parents are at all. She is scared of having no one to give her answers/guidance. Kylo offers her guidance and she is tempted by it. RJ left the parentage open for JJ to enrich the last instalment of the trilogy.

Another thing. This notion that "everyone can be a hero" as being something new and fresh is totally wrong. The most powerful Jedi have always come from different backgrounds, think of master Windu and Yoda or Kenobi, they never came from a royal bloodline. The end scene with the boy and the broom, is nothing new, that has been happening in the galaxy ever since the Jedi began or at least since brooms were invented. Rey however is clearly more than just your average Jedi and that can only be because of something we will find out in the last instalment. I don't think her powers are entirely due to lineage but instead something else none of us will expect.

The scene with the mirror, had two figures that morphed into one. I think this doesn't prove anything. My interpretation of this scene is that the force blocked Rey from seeing her parents because either she isn't ready to see who they are, or because a greater evil wanted to leave her without hope of receiving any form of guidance or the answers she so desperately wants to discover.

It is not a matter of Kylo lying to Rey. Rey doesn't confirm anything to Kylo. When Rey says "they were nobodies" it's possible that this was nothing more than a presumption.

 

You really hate Kylo Ren, don't you?

As for the force bond, he is trying to show her his point of view and to get her to realise her parents aren't coming back. It's a block in her way, from forging a new future for herself.

Yes he does manipulate her on the ship. Buts its HOW he says it, rather than WHAT he said. Plus, Snoke fed him the info about her parents, if her parents aren't nobodies then he is the liar.

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Yes thank you. Personally I believe her parents are nobodies, but if anyone is lying. It's Snoke, who's been feeding info to Kylo and influencing what he's been seeing.

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She's a Skywalker/Solo/Palpatine/Chewbacca's somehow/anyone but random even general grievous, because reasons.

TLJ has stated her parents are nobodies. Come up with a counter case rather than vaguely saying a character is lying.

 

This is laughable. Rian Johnson has confirmed that, in his vision, Rey is a random nobody. Just deal with it.

 

Yeah, no exact faces and no names given for a reason. Even if that reason is to keep the door open. Think about how much more information we have about other prominent non-Skywalkers like Jyn Erso or Ezra Bridger. Or heck even Poe Dameron.

J. J. Abrams said he loves the concept of secret relatives back when he didn't know he'd be back for another Star Wars movie. There's been no secret family reveals in the ST so far. ROTJ gave Luke a sibling and it gave Leia a sibling and a father and a mother she barely remembers.

 

If Rian has said it then it's over.

Unless Rey is the daughter of Chewbacca and Maz...

Mind=blown.

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See Mr Hux's admission. This is over.

Secret relative at this point is just an over complication.

 

Yeah because George didn't have the time for his original plan of Luke having a different sister. So the only options were Leia or Mothma. And well...

 

Actually, no the exact opposite.

He said that AT THE TIME, Kylo believed what he was saying.

And he very clearly leaves the door open for JJ to change it in 9, saying that it's one of those things in SW that can get changed "from a certain point of view."

Here's the full piece from EW -

This is a MAJOR blow to Rey Random.

All he had to say was -

"Yes. We decided to have her totally unrelated to the legacy characters. And that's what happens in TLJ."

Simple.

But - HE DOES NOT. He says that's what the character Kylo believes, when he says it.

Very different.

And be invoking the possibility of what he presents in TLJ being "from a certain point of view" - very loaded words for SW fans around family ties - he opens up the door for it to be explored in 9.

This ship is just hitting 5th gear ladies and gentlemen...get ready for more fun the next 2 years!!

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Quite the contrary...I actually expect JJ to change it.

Because Rian pretty clearly ignored all the mystery box stuff set up in TFA. It's absolutely ridiculous for her to count each day on the side of the AT-AT if she knows her drunk parents sold her.

Then she's psychotic to pretend to nobody else watching but herself, that she's counting down the days until her family comes back.

Rian jacked up JJs plan I think. And Rian has left it open for him to fix.

Which he will.

 

This isn't a fair comparison. The storygroup has given the saga films room for the storytellers to tell their story. Jyn and Ezra stories are different and contained.

RJ isn't in control of the next film. He's clear that in his film Rey is a nobody. It's an essential part of the theme of the film right until the very end. To read that quote and interpret it as a blow to Rey Random is delusional.

I for one won't be debating this any further. It's pointless. I hope you enjoyed the film, but some of y'all need to just except reality.

 

Denial is a river in Egypt. Rey did anything but recognise the fact and ran away from it, and kept running throughout all those counting scratches. Until Kylo forced her to face it.

JJ won't change it, too much of the themes and Rey's character arc in TLJ would be wasted if her parents aren't nobodies. Maybe they weren't nobody slave traders, they could've been citizens or people we might meet in IX, but they aren't a main character.