Kylo is a Liar

absolutely not - he's clear that in his film "Kylo BELIEVES Rey is a nobody."

And he chose those words deliberately.

C'mon man...if it was Random, he could just say so plainly as you just did.

But he DIDN'T!

And he leaves it open for JJ to change the whole thing! It can't be anymore clear. This was the perfect opportunity to put it to bed, and he didn't. He opened it up.

 

I never thought Kylo was necessarily lying when he told Rey who her parents are. I think that is what Kylo sees as part of her life on Jakku and that's who he assumes to be her parents. Rey being sold by two losers for booze. And Rey agrees because that did happen to her. But I don't think that's her whole story.

 

+1

I do recognise the fact that, for some people, TLJ wasn't a Star Wars film, and heck, even "destroyed" canon. But it's part of the franchise now and people must respect it and Rian's film making.

Rey is a nobody. Imma go with you. I've said all I needed to say.

 

if Rey and Ben are related, this ST has some serious problems ~ hahahahaha

 

same question then -

Why didn't Rian just say it as you did?

Gotta a reason? An answer?

Why did he say it's what "Kylo BELIEVES"? And that these reveals in SW are always from a certain point of view?

BAAHAHA! It's so obvious.

JJ is gonna make her the sister and reveal it in the last chapter of the series, just like ROTJ. Bank it.

Rian knows it too, or he never would've said any of that.

I'm not the one in denial....

 

People can have other opinions other than yourselves. No need to get nasty over it. It's not like it's disgusting like psychological abuse or domestic violence.

 

I know I said I wouldn't comment in this thread anymore. But I can't ignore my favourite mod!

They are Luke and Leia 2.0.

Hahahahahahaa.

 

pfftt...I loved TLJ. So don't go there.

Your director, Rian, is the one saying this stuff. He's the one not just straight up confirming - "Yup, that's correct. She's nobody."

He's the one saying it's what Kylo "believes is true."

And that JJ can change it.

He could've settled it and he didn't. Take it up with him.

 

Further quote from Rian Johnson:

"Wish fulfillment" sums this up very nicely and if you still want to suggest otherwise I realize now I've wasted a lot of time trying to convince someone who isn't prepared to discuss this logically.

 

Rey said it first as far as i remember btw.

 

Ok final comment. Because Rey Solo annoys me.

If IF JJ does change, then her being the "sister" is the last possible and most stupid reveal.

Ok. Byeeeeeeeeee.

 

It also adds nothing to the story and goes against the theme of The Last Jedi.

 

Because this trilogy isnt planned or outlined.

 

And in that, Rian succeeds. He has her face that she is not dependent on her family, and has to make her own choice.

Very important moment for the character and executed well, by both Daisy and Adam. For sure.

Peace out.

Neither of you can answer a simple question...if it's Random for sure, done deal....why couldn't Rian say that?

Huh? Tell me.

Why does he say it's "what Kylo believes and what Rey believes in that moment" (his words)

Why does he say that JJ might change things based on "a certain point of view?"

Tell me. I'll listen...

What is one god-dang good reason for doing that...KNOWING it will stoke this debate. He could've just confirmed Random, quite easily.

I need a reason for him to stoke all this. Let's hear it.

 

It does add to the story because if Rey finds out Kylo killed her father, she's going to be angry and out to destroy him. It's going to be on another level than, Kylo is the Supreme Leader and he's bad for the galaxy. It's going to be personal. They are going to have an all out lightsaber fight which we all know is coming. And I believe this type of anger is what will really tempt Rey to the darkside. It'll be a real struggle.

And TLJ still stands on its own. Rey is learning the lesson that it doesn't matter who one comes from but what they as an individual can do. That doesn't change if she learns she's a Skywalker. But it can create even more conflict between Rey and Kylo and that will be the seminal battle in IX.

 

Because he's not writing the next film. JJ just pitched it to Disney yesterday. Why would he comment about a story he hasn't read. Could JJ for some bizarre reason change the story? Sure, but I've yet to see a good reason presented as to why he'd trash the theme from the previous film.

She already loved Han Solo. Now she's going to be angrier? I think some of y'all are in the denial part of the 5 stages of grief.

 

The word "believes" is your problem?

 

and that's a fair point, if you don't see the reason personally.

The poster directly above you gave a great one. But that's all subjective for all of us. I'm not talking about whether or not it's good or bad for the story overall. That's a fair discussion to have.

I'm simply talking about whether or not it's possible/going to happen.

And today, RJ just kicked the door wide open by NOT confirming what we all (myself included) thought he showed us in TLJ. He probably knows JJ is going to do something, matter of fact.

I've never seen somebody 2 days after the film premiered come out and say "well, that's one one character believed was true." and "the next story is still being written so it could just be 'from a certain point of view'." That's pretty unprecedented.

Any honest intellectual discussion of this has to acknowledge - he could've confirmed Random and what he just did blows it wide open to change.

And I'll leave it there. We'll all see I guess.

But I have my own thoughts as to what will happen.

 

I agree with RJ: