SPECULATION OFFICIAL Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

100% agree. Where did this driver is a solo rumour start? When he went out for lunch with JJ and Ford? Or are people just clinging to hope that there favourite novel (legacy of the force) is "coming to life"

 

Evidence? What true evidence do we have of anything with this movie? I guess we should just shut down The Cantina because speculating without true evidence isn't allowed anymore. How about some reasons he could be a Solo?

1. The GQ photo where Driver was dressed in a black vest and white shirt to purposely evoke the Han Solo look.
2. Many rumors including this one http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=16766
3. Assuming he's Kylo Ren and the fact we know Daisy Ridley is "Rey" leads me to ask these questions...why did so many insiders refer to Daisy as Kira? I understand the whole production code name crap, but why use Kira ( a 4 letter female name starting with K). Why not call her Stephanie or Jane? This lends credibility to my theory that Kylo Ren and Kira Rey are actual production names. Names parents would use for siblings.
4. George Lucas has stated he gave the framework for the next generation which included Solo children. There are not many male actors that could fit this role. Driver is one of them that fits.

Breadcrumbs. No evidence. We will not get the evidence you are looking for until Dec 2015.

 

What evidence do you have to support this? You're wild speculation is utterly ridiculous....to use your words.

 

I feel uncomfortable having a picture of Kylo Ren's helmet

 

I'm all for doing new things in the ST but one thing Star Wars has always revolved around is family. I don't care if there are twins or some secret identity. It's just logical that one of the OT characters would possibly have children. Probably 60%-70% of the people I was close with growing up have children. It's realistc and for a sci-fi series Star Wars has always been as realistic as a sci-fi series can be with things like this. Sure there is obviously tons of futuristic fantasy stuff going on but the characters are portrayed like real people. I can think of people I know that are like some of the characters in ways. The more relatable they are the more we get attached to the characters. There are plenty of families who have problems or don't speak to each other. Portraying that struggle would not be a bad thing. There's gotta be some heartbreak especially with the main character.

 

You're basing your opinions on speculation, whereas I'm basing mine on actual evidence taken from the films. More to the point, my arguments are backed by actual scenes and dialog.

Yes, Palpatine is a manipulator. Does he lie? Of course he does, but what little he tells Maul is no easier to interpret as true or false than what he tells Anakin about Plagueis during the opera scene in ROTS.

As far as the villains and how they relate to Anakin go, Maul has little, if any, impact on Anakin. As the PT was meant to be Anakin's story, it would have made sense to show parallels between Anakin and the foes he'll eventually replace (which GL does to a point), but Maul's arc proves to really have no effect on Anakin's storyline. So while the idea that each apprentice foreshadows and shows parallels to Anakin's eventual fall works in theory, that concept is wasted on Maul because he and Anakin really never cross paths. I may not be right, but I hope you can understand my logic.


Lastly, just to be clear, I'm not bashing anyone for liking Maul or any other aspect of the PT. IMO Maul was just one in a line of throwaway villains. So, getting back to where I came into this discussion, if Kylo Ren proves to be anywhere as unimportant/throwaway as Maul, then I'll be very disappointed.

 

I don't think we will see any throw away villains in TFA. Too much to establish. I think Maul was a throwaway because of the time gap between Episodes 1 and 2. They needed a Sith that could advance George's story and Maul wasn't him. Plus I think they wanted more Sith Lords. If Maul was the only other apprentice before Vader, that would overshadow the fact that Vader was with Palpatine for so long.

 

Heaven forbid I point out your pet theory seems ridiculous to me I should down rate everyone I disagree with.

1. Remind me, when was this photo shoot?
2. And I have rumors from people like Kyle saying the exact opposite
3. A code name is just that, a production code name. Was Blue Harvest meant to evoke some secret plotline? Was Foodles anything more then a joke that they're working for Disney? This is a huge leap of logic that, I'm sorry of this insults you, reminds me of illuminati jokes.
4. No Driver does not fit, he likes nothing like Ford or Fisher. Ridley does. People still treat the "Solo Children" idea as if Jacen and Jaina are coming back. I love Jacen and Jaina but I'm accepting the fact they they're Legends now. Star Wars is about family, but that doesn't mean every single ST character is related to an OT character. Was every PT character related to an OT character?

Speculation is fun and you can believe what you believe. But people keep saying things like Driver is 100% a Solo when rumors are pointing the other way. It's like when that kid kept posting those things about Revan, they were his opinion and they made sense to him, but they didn't fit with what we know

 

GQ Image http://www.gq.com/style/blogs/the-g...ver-look-so-familiar-on-his-new-gq-cover.html

 

Driver looks a lot like Ford. Easily. Better than most family casting. The have a similar brow. They have the same pull to the right smirk even when they are not smiling.

 

Several rumors from a range of reputable and in reputable sources. My chief source of this rumor is Kyle and some of his posts, he blocks his messages from his profile so I'd have to dig through all the posts in the forum.

There have been several rumors, including one from the closest thing I have to a source that say that Driver is an aristocratic member of an imperial supporting family (he is a descendent of Dooku was a popular theory a couple months ago). Along those lines he is also said to be a Darth Side fanatic and collector of Sith artifacts. The collector theory has three main supporting evidence outside of the rumors. His lightsaber appears to be of an older and more unstable design, either that or he built it himself of off half understood instructions. Concept art has depicted who we believe to be Kylo Ren with several masks, and he might be the figure depicted holding Vader's mask, leading some to believe these are things he is collecting. I can't remember the third piece of evidence I was going to say but a rumored line has Rey shouting at Kylo Ren (who was referred to as Driver in the write up as this came before the names) "you will never be as powerful as Vader" which suggests he is seeking power from the old Sith Lords. Even with your Kylo Ren Solo theory he still needs someone to teach him the dark side.

As for Serkis being the big bad that comes from a whole other batch of rumors including the mentions of the "Uber" code name and reports that he manipulates everyone behind the scenes. There are rumors of a dark side entity manipulating Driver to chase down "Skywalker's Apprentice" who we believe to be Rey

 

So Abrams would let a third party like GQ reveal a major plot point of his next film? Or maybe the photographer decided he wanted Driver to invoke Solo to coincide with the Star Wars theme?

This isn't evidence

I am a fan of Adam Driver ever since I saw him in Frances Ha, and I can find several more pictures of his lumpy features that look notably different than Ford's features. Driver has a very distinctive face, you don't go for an actor with such a distinctive face if you're going for family resemblance. Case in point look out how much Ridley resembles Portman and Fisher, and I barely support the Rey Solo rumors. Revealing just her first name tipped my hand

 

I'd argue that a bit. When the announcement was made, nothing screamed "Solo!" at me. The only reason I could even see a family connection now is simply because everyone on here speculating was proclaiming him a Solo.

 

Other than "related to Dooku" and "Empire side aristorcrat" those are many of the same rumors people are going on the Kylo Ren Solo side of the argument. I mean the child of a princess and a general could have a kid thought of as an aristocrat.

 

For whatever reason, unless the children look like dead ringers for their parents, it's somehow not possible....for some people. Those same people are probably not parents either. I have children, one looks like me, the other looks like the neighbor (oh no!).

And I have never read any of the EU. Not a single page so I could care less about Jacen/Jaina. Stop bringing them up. I do know that initially, GL gave Zahn and others framework for what sequels would be about since he was never planning on making them. Disney has admitted to keeping with George's general vision. So odds are there will be Solo and Skywalker children in the sequels.

Let me ask this question. Wouldn't the son of Solo be a main character and not a background character? Kyle's rumors have holes simply because he states Han's son as an afterthought and in no way mentions names or how the kids are involved. NEWS FLASH, THE MOVIES ARE ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION OF SKYWALKER/SOLO. Kyle could also be a little cloudy on his facts. The wealthy son of an aristocratic family sure sounds like Han Jr. to me. If your mom was a Princess and your dad helped bring down the Empire and your grandpa was a Dark Lord of the Sith, you may become a spoiled hot shot with ambitions for more power too.
Lastly, why would we keep hearing that Han Solo is the center of this movie. That it's HIS MOVIE, if it wasn't about his children/family? Do you think he cares about Finn or Poe Dameron?

 

If you look at Driver you don't think Ford but when you see them next to each other the similarities hop out.

 

The Dark Side fanatic thing is available to both parties, this was me defending my calling Driver a Dragon in training to a Serkis big bad

 

Gotcha. Its all in play I think. I will admit I like the idea of Ren being a Solo just cause I like the grief and tension it brings to the story.

 

Star Wars has made several efforts in the past to make a family resemblance hence I mentioned Ridley

It might not matter to you but it matters to a lot of people. This is part of the reason people are clamoring for two Solo kids when Rey already has a lot of rumors as a Solo.

I've stopped fighting the Rey Solo rumors and there you have your Solo kid. I was one of the people pointing out how Pip Anderson resembles Fisher and Ford. Kyle says Gleeson is a Solo I think he is a Skywalker. But my point is there are plenty of other options of actors that you don't have to go after Driver who I think fits the worst (well after Boyega of course).

Han can be the leader of the film without everyone else being his kids, I don't really see how the two connect