REYLO - Potential Evidence For & Against

i think the third one is Gunga Din.

 

Yes, probably. Letters Never Sent that was the Russian film. Very good btw.

 

This is quite relevant for this thread I think.
Beauty and the Beast: Emma Watson addresses questions over Beast relationship
http://ew.com/movies/2017/02/16/bea.../?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

 

Relyo aside, that pretty much describes Kylo Ren's relationship with Snoke, which i guess i've been nattering on about since day one.

do i see this happening in the ST between Rey and Ren. not really. whatever their relationship becomes, it will have more parity.

 

If Rey were to develop romantic feelings for Kylo while he kept her captive, yes, that would be nearing SS and indeed would be controversial. However, nobody has said (apart from a couple or so fanfic writers with specific tastes) that anybody expects that to happen.

But more importantly, and that is key, these two are not "in a relationship" in TFA, so labeling it abusive is completely inaccurate on every front. Their interactions are not romantic and nobody has claimed that they were and thus they were not in an abusive relationship. Furthermore, nobody suggests that Rey will fall for Kylo if he remains Kylo Ren the Master of the Knights of Ren and dark enforcer of the FO. What has been suggested is that Ben Solo is still there and that Rey may actually get to meet him.

What has been suggested is that these two have now met and that (provided they are not related) something different can possibly happen between them going forth, because it might. As of now, something interesting is apparently going on which they both are also wondering about. There is "something", "their destinies are intertwined", etc.

Did he abduct her? Yes, he did. But he didn't do it violently, and most importantly he didn't abduct her because he wanted her as a lover. He abducted her because he needed information that he needed and he incapacitated her because she was aggressive and shot at him and if she wasn't restrained she might have attempted to continue to fire at him. His behaviour to her was not motivated by her gender. They happened to be on two opposing sites and becuase of circumstances are in opposition.

These "disparate pieces have now come together" and they certainly were unprepared for that meeting, particularly Kylo who was the more attuned it seems that something more is going on even before he found out she is Force sensitive.

But also we already moved beyond that first "colliding meeting" now, haven't we. Rey discovered she had the Force, kicked his pretty ass and slashed his face to boot. Kylo is left wondering about what just happened and how their "destinies are intertwined", and Rey is also wondering and goes for answers to "dangerous dreamboat" (I'm literally citing Mark Hamill)'s uncle, the mythical jedi, Luke.

Did Rey and Kylo clash? Yes, they did. But what people who have suggested that Reylo is a possibility in the future, is that despite their dramatic meeting going forth things are most probably not going to stay the same and there is a chance that their "interesting relationship" (to cite JJ Abrams) may not be antagonistic. And depending on how things develop, indeed, there is even a potential for love, because there is.

Of course, if it turns out they are related, that "mysterious connection" will definetely not lead to romance, but will instead be familial connection, but because of the way things appeared and seem to be set up so far, some people are seeing a possibility for romance if they are not related.

What is relevant is that in a fairytale the enchanted prince may appear to be a monster at first, but may turn out to be different when you get to know him better...

That's what I have to say.

#WaitForVIII

 

3 generations of Skywalker being proven wrong:





Snoke "You have compassion for her. I perceive the problem. It isn’t her strength that is making you fail. It’s your weakness."

 

When you consider the Skywalker family, and perhaps this is down to their off the chart power, they tend to "loveth too much", as Lucas once said about Anakin.
In some ways, Anakin was perhaps right to go beyond the sterile Jedi Order of the PT (like QUi Gon) in how he deeply cared about other beings. That isn't to say the Jedi did not love others but they had become detached somewhat from the living force in their bid to avoid the attachments of the Dark Side. Really, Qui Gon was perfect because he was strongly connected to the living force, showed deep compassion for all living things yet was utterly selfless. He lived a true life of non-attachment which isn't about separation but connection. Anakin's force connectivity would mean that he would feel this strong connection to the living Force. And it would make him love and care deeply. But this of course had an adverse effect.

We saw this with Luke as well. But Luke found a middle ground where, despite his first failure to do so, was able to eventually let go of his attachment to his friends and do the right thing. He of course loved Leia and Han as closely as one could, but unlike Anakin didn't act in an attached, possessive way. Nevertheless, for people like Luke and Anakin who have such a strong connection to the Force you can perhaps see that their feelings are heightened. And so it would be the same with Ben Solo.

People point to Ben murdering his father as a sign that he is a psychopath and doesn't feel things the way a normal person would do. I think the opposite and this links into why Snoke was pleased with Ben's origins of both light and dark. To be a master of the Dark Side you have to feel great hate and anger. To be a master of the light, you must feel great compassion and love. But what is interesting is that in order to say, feel great anger, you must at first feel great love. Take Anakin for example, he loved his mother and Padme greatly. Sure, in some ways not in a Jedi way but nevertheless, he was once a good kid who had great compassion. It was by taking these loves away from him that caused his great anger and hatred. Had Anakin not really loved anyone in this way then, even if their was a motive to turn him to the Dark Side, he wouldn't be all that hateful. The more someone loves and the more they lose, the more hateful they will become. And the more hate they have then the stronger they would be with the Dark Side. Likewise, it could be said for someone to feel great compassion then at some point in their life they must feel great loss or pain. For without feeling that, how can one truly have compassion or empathy for others? Thus for Snoke, Ren is the perfect being by which to manipulate. Not because of the darkness within him - but because of the light. By turning that light against him, Snoke will create someone with far greater anger and hatred.

And this relates to Ben killing his father. We all know deep down he loved Han and that in killing him it will only vastly increase Ren's hatred - of both himself and others. But really the important thing here is to realise that Ben isn't killing these people because he hates them, but rather because he loves them. He is attempting to reject the light so he doesn't make the same mistake Vader did with Luke. That's how Ren rationalises it. And for Snoke, it's a way of making Ren more hateful.

So now we come to Ren's feelings for Rey. We have seen what he is willing to do against his family to avoid being seduced by the light. He's deserted his mother. Destroyed his uncle's life. And murdered his father. How could a cousin or even sister inspire such compassion in him (as we are shown and told) that he'd be willing to go against his usual path? And if we're to believe he is to be redeemed, which surely he will be, then how will this turn to the light be motivated? By a familial relationship or something more intimate? Something different that he hasn't experience and that Snoke hasn't prepared him for.

In my opinion, whether reciprocated fully or not, Ben Solo will fall in love with Rey and we will see a reversal of that which turned Anakin to the Dark Side. That's the irony of killing his father as per Snoke's instructions. They were so hell bent in avoiding that which turned Vader back to the light, they didn't realise that that which turned him to the Dark Side could work the other way around. Snoke (and Ren) thinks that in killing the father (and perhaps mother) it will prevent another Vader-like redemption, that turning Ren against his family will be enough. But this time, it will be the love between two separate people that pulls Ben back to the light side. And so, this will mean that the Saga will provide us with a new theme rather than a re-run of the OT or indeed leave us with a negative view of relationships (as the PT did). Ben Solo will be redeemed because he loves Rey - romantically, compassionately and everything in between. Snoke has been successful blocking the pathway of love that brought down his grandfather, but he has ignored the other kind of love that could just as powerfully pull The Dark Prince back into the light.

 

i agree ~ this is why he needs an outsider to have an intervention. he needs a mediator between himself and his family. if Rey is family, she's no good to him.

i like this ~ what's interesting is how he so specifically called Han out for being weak and foolish (when we know on some level they are two of kind). he hated what he saw of his father in himself and i can only presume that meant Han's "sentiment" ~ his love for his family and his willingness to give everything up for them.

 

Hey...if there's no traffic on this thread does it mean is no longer topic?

Or we switched to Ruke?
(I wanted to insert a link to some cool ruke art but all im getting on google search is this:

.we must be cautious...not many ship this!)

 

I posted something about this albiet a bit sarcastically earlier this morning lol!

It went like this:
Here is my take. I think everyone is wrong about Rey. I think her parents remain a mystery and she falls for Luke during training and they run off and have the next generation of Skywalkers. Yodas' Force Ghost officiates the wedding and they get Ben back to the Light Side by asking him to be best man. R2 and C3PO are the brides maids.

Yes, that may have been slightly coated in sarcasm.

 

Lol...I posted a Ruke thread on JCF a year ago? for laughs...they banned me after that for some reason

 

JCF sucks. Everyone there is so uptight.

 

Oh man...you haven't been on First Disorder reylo.skyforum then...they are the Sith to the JCF Jedis
(Was banned from there too...)

 

So a forum devoted to Reylo shipping?

 

Yeah...but they only accept feminist men there
Allthough you are green...you can try going with that?
(I have assembled a 9 page anti reylo site MODS manifesto if you want...lol...i can send it to you in pm...its good for lighting firewood )