REYLO - Potential Evidence For & Against

My theory (and I might be wrong) is that they're essentially identical but ended up as completely different people (at least on the surface) due to their respective environments. Same force potential and basic personality traits (nature) but completely different circumstances (nurture).

Kylo's force potential was known from the start (thanks to his force sensitive mother and Jedi uncle), but Rey's wasn't. So she was free from that particular burden while growing up.

Kylo was also targeted by Snoke (probably because the walking corpse was watching the Skywalkers) while Rey wasn't, which again, kept her safe from true evil.

Rey grew up alone on planet Hell, focusing on making ends meet instead of wondering about her place in the galaxy. She has immense strength and managed to survive on hope alone, dreaming that her family will come back someday. And while it's horrific for a child to grow up in this way, this life also kept her away from manipulation, lies and feelings of betrayal. Because she lost her family at 5 years old, she's in a way stuck in that toddler mindset, idealizing them instead of wondering why they abandoned her. Which is a perfectly normal reaction, that ideal sustained her while growing up. She simply couldn't afford to ask herself this kind of questions and harbor anger against her family. But Kylo could.

I think that if their roles would have been reversed from the start, Rey would have become the master of the Knights of Ren and Kylo would have been a lonely scavenger. And I think both of them will realize this, which will make things very interesting.

 

yeah they seem to me so obviously set up as mirror images: that privilege vs. privation, the saddle of expectation vs. merely surviving.
we already know they have a connection (in the Force presumably), and that they sense it in each other.

i see it as Ren realizing perhaps for the first time that there's someone like him in the galaxy: someone who could understand him in a way no one else ever has.
and now that Rey is tapping into her power, and if Luke rejects her, she could very easily empathize with Ren's loneliness and fear and confusion. and if we find out she was dumped on Jakku to be "rid" of her because of her Force sensitivity or because of who her family is, there's no reason she wouldn't identify with him.

that doesn't mean she'll go Dark or suddenly approve of Ren's behavior.
but there's still a lot about the power dynamics of this galaxy that we don't know--and probably surprises that will be revealed.
Rey's like a newborn child in the galaxy, still full of illusions that are likely about to be shattered.

 

best post of the forum.

 

Foreshadowing in TFA "YOU NEED a teacher, I CAN SHOW YOU the ways of the Force"



"I NEED someone TO SHOW ME my place in all of this"




She's not talking to Kylo in this shot but Kylo is the "someone she need", that's called foreshadowing, and Kylo is indeed reaching his hand to Rey in the shot, the fire behind Kylo is probably the burning Force Tree, Adam Driver was spotted with Daisy Ridley in Ireland for the Ahch-to filming, you will see in December.

 

I'm quite sure there will be no romance, it's just the two sides of the same coin making peace because it has to be for the balance to be restored.

They'll maybe discover that war leads to war again and again and the only way out is acceptation of everyone's nature.

 

Ben is indeed a prince: he is the son of a princess and grandson of a queen, Abrams is describing him as a prince without the helmet.



The pattern is: character number 1 says the word "afraid" to character number 2, character number 2 says "afraid" in return to character number 1 in the same scene, in the saga it only happen with these characters: Han/Leia, Anakin/Padmé, Kylo/Rey.

And every time it's between a guy in black/dark costume and a female in white costume in an "intimate" scene, the first two were followed by a kiss.

In TFA when Kylo says the word "affraid" to Rey she says "I'm not giving you anything" and Kylo respond "We'll see"... Which is interesting if you have the parallel in mind.

The first two (Anakin/Padmé, Han/Leia) ended in a romantic relationship and continued the Skywalker family with children.

Interestingly Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group doesn't responded to this tweet, I asked 2 times, but responded immediately to less sensitive questions:

The Skywalker family has to continue in Episodes 10,11,12, (you know Di$ney will make them), even in the Legends universe the children of Luke and Leia have children.

 

After watching TFA no one can say they were on the same level. If Disney wants to say that now, then fine, but it didn't show in the film.

That may happen, but the problem is Rey doesn't know what she is. Who is going to tell her this? I see Rey as a tool or weapon to be used. I don't think she will realize what she represents until it happens, and if there is any kind of realization it won't be from her, but from those who have to get her back.

 

This is the point of the story IMHO, having the girl remember who she is and it is absolutely not linked to her parentage.

 

I think snoke told ren to bring rey to him because she's a person of interest, given the fact that she managed to overpower him.
I don't know how thats meant to punish kylo.

People made fun of kylo because he was a fanboy. As for his looks, they made memes about "yeah flawless, solo genes,etc." the time he takes his helmet off. Also, i've been here the whole time. Where are you welcoming me back from?

 

hadn't seen you in a long time! welcome back to my field of vision? [or not?]

Snoke isn't impressed that Rey overpowered him; he thinks Ren is weak. this is supported more directly in the novel. as is the indication that he wants her so that he can punish him. but i can see if you didn't read the book then you wouldn't necessarily have any way of knowing that.

 

And yet we know they don't join forces on Ahch-to because Kylo is leading the FO forces on Crait in the 3rd Act and Rey is fighting on behalf of the Resistance. They are still on opposite sides of a war.

 

I'm not a fan of this whole Reylo thing, though I certainly find the parallels interesting. I mean, for instance, Han was 29 and Leia was 19 in ANH, and in TFA, Kylo was 29 and Rey was 19.

Pretty nifty; until I see something on-screen which makes me scream "WOAH, THEY HAVE A LOT OF ON-SCREEM CHEMISTRY", which would come in TLJ if this were to be the case at any rate, I'm not really buying into this.

Plus, dating your cousin's weird, even if Luke went a yard too far with his own sister

I think Act II could be the beginning of Kylo's turn back towards the light, but, of course, I don't expect him to turn immediately if this is going to be the case (and vice versa for those who think Rey's going dark): we still have another chapter to go after this, so don't expect to see everything perfectly aligned by the end of this film.

Personally, I think that Kylo could flee from the space battle over D'Qar after being unable to kill his mother, and, not wanting to return to Snoke a failure, turns his sights towards Rey and Luke. Stuff goes down, Rey and Kylo end up alone once again, but Ben helps her to understand more about herself - I think his lines in the trailer, unless recorded just for the trailer, when he's going to seemingly attack his mother from his Silencer is what he tells Rey - and teaches her how to detach, whilst Rey also teaches him something important, too.

Perhaps there's something Kylo knows about Luke, for instance, that might finally complete the puzzle as to who Rey's parents are.

 

If Kylo doesn't want to return to Snoke a failure and doesn't go back, how in hell is he entrusted with FO forces in attacking Crait? Crait is supposedly the 3rd act. From the trailer, Kylo is leading the FO into battle on Crait.

 

That came off a little brash, though I'm sure that you didn't mean for it to; as for Kylo not wanting to return to Snoke a failure, I think it's important to remember that failure is obviously a perspective, and Snoke would be just as interested to know Luke's and Rey's location as I'm sure he would be to have Leia killed.

I agree that the Battle of Crait is in the third act; I didn't respond in a way which implied that I believed otherwise, regarding that or Kylo leading the FO on what appears to be Crait.

 

The Marketing for TLJ clearly is playing off of these fan theories but I don’t think they will have Rey join Kylo in training.

The closest I see it happening is Re6 trying to bring Kylo bac’ to the light like Luke did Anakin, and Luke saying it wont to the way she thinks. Rey agrees to go with Kylo has a plot that fails.

 

Just because these are two separate scenes spliced together doesn't really mean it's a misdirection. I'm guessing there is truth in what they are trying to get across in the trailer. Rey will want to leave Luke at one point and Kylo will be offering to lead a mission to destroy Snoke after Hux is ordered to destroy Leia.

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Basically When Rey says, 'I need someone to show me my place', she is either talking to Luke or a force ghost (ANAKIN!!??). Kylo holding his hand out id mody likely to Rey later in the film.

 

Just found out this existed, will do much posting in it after the new movies comes out. Thanks FN-3263827 (is that the number Luke gives to C3PO in the Death Star in ANH?)

 

ayup. ; D

 

Bringing back this thread because TLJ out soon and will feed the shippers!

As for this topic in TLJ, according to leaks...

Spoiler

despite people proclaiming Reylo is dead. There are apparently some big hints for it. The shirtless in the rain scene and force bond. But I'd also like to highlight that Rey has more scenes with Kylo than anyone else and spends most of them just talking with him, and building a rapport. The building blocks of romance for IX in my opinion. But JJ may not write it well...