SPECULATION Rey's parentage, do you still hold the same view you have going into TLJ?

Yes.

I've seen that sort of tone/body language used by villains in other stories, particularly toward female heroes. None of those stories ended up with a "beauty and the beast"-style hookup.

 

Went from Luke's daughter to Kenobis granddaughter.

 

Wouldn't the logistics of Kenobi/Palpatine be rather complicated?

They'd have to invent 3 new characters. Plus assume the entire audience is familiar with Obi-wan or Palps, neither of whom have appeared in the ST...(And yes, there are those for whom TFA was their first SW movie.)

 

if someone starts watching star wars at episode 7 it ain't the story groups problem.
what's the problem with 3 new characters ? There are always new characters .they can tell the story in about 3 minutes or something .luke: you are my masters granddaughter.your name is rey kenobi.your parents left you on jakku because blablabla.some flashbacks.more details across ep 8 and 9.thats it.the entire story will be told in related material.kenobi movie .novels.and so on.

 

Why not? Cuz your interpretation of the movie is somehow more valid than mine? Based on what grounds?
We are equals I say and everybody's input is welcome. A question was asked and i gave my opinion

Exactly. Wouldn't you find it more disturbing if they are blood relatives? I would, most definitely the scene would be sick if they were. In my opinion. Hence the logic tells me she cant be. They would not make her...after luke and leia fiasco

Im a woman and I saw no rapey thingies there. I find interesting that many women dont. Cuz you know, she turned the tables around, refused to be a victim and slapped his ego a biiiiig slap for intruding her mind? That was a fight on a mental plane and she won cuz he underestimated her. in fact i'll ask....if what he was doing was rapey is then not what she did to him (entering his mind and dominating the force bond) a rapey thing too? She was way more intrusive...a food for thought i think. Do not underestimate strong women like Rey is. She may not be a Skywalker, but by no means she is a wuss

Except the beauty and the beast? Which was recently remade by disney? Hmmmm...

Im not defending reylo here...atm im not supporting it. But what i am saying that that awkwardness in the interrogation is the biggest hint why she cant be a Reywalker or a Solo (i think Rey Solo was even debunked officially? Forgot exactly)

 

I don't find it any more disturbing than I already do. Kylo is a very messed up individual and them being cousins or siblings wouldn't change that (on the other hand, it might just get how disturbed he is through to Kylo).

 

She's Neo reincarnated, it's the only logical conclusion

 

No...I said not everybody saw it that way/not everybody who saw it that way did so in a positive light because *not everybody saw it that way/not/not everybody who saw it that way did so in positive light.*

Personally I see Kylo's behavior in that scene really creepy regardless of blood relationship. Particularly the "I can take whatever I want" line delivery.

As a fellow woman, I think it's safe to say that not all women see things the same way?

Rey turning the tables on Kylo does not negate the "rapey" vibes some, including me, saw. Just as - in a hypothetical scenario - a woman defeating her attacker would not negate the fact that he raped her.

No. Very, very different implications depending on gender. One might call that unfortunate. But it's true, especially in film. Gender dynamics are a thing filmmakers take into account. I can guarentee you that if Poe were female, that particular interrogation scene would have felt VERY VERY different.

Do you think some found the vibes in that scene disturbing because they think Rey is a wuss? Really?

Not. I cannot see how this is a "beauty and the beast" love story.

I've read the Reylo metas on this. Some very good, very well-written ones. And I appreciate them. But I personally disagree with their conclusions.

Surprises me. I've never seen anyone other than a Rey+Kylo fan express those views.

I understand why some see non-creepy "sexual tension" between Rey and Kylo, and I understand why that would form the basis of a Rey Unrelated theory, although from everything I've read and listened to, I've found the "Rey is not a Skywalker" argument, other than the (imo subjective) "sexual tension" observation, to be by far the weakest element of the various Reylo theories.

No. Rey Solo has not been officially debunked. I personally think it's highly unlikely, but not because of anything any actor/director has said.

I have no problems with fans who ship Reylo. I don't think it's strange, or warped, or whatever. I do get disturbing, "rapey" vibes from the interrogation scene, but I understand why others don't. I do not personally think Kylo is "abusing" Rey but I see why some do get that impression.

I do not think the narrative is going Rey for many, *many* reasons - including ones utterly unrelated to Rey's parentage. Heck, even if I shipped Reylo personally, I wouldn't think LFL would *touch* that controversial relationship. One can argue and explain why, say, Rey crying as Kylo probes her mind is merely her experiancing sad, long suppressed memories. *But it still comes across pretty badly* to a good chunk of the GA. In a way, it doesn't matter what IS happening in that scene, but what APPEARS to be happening in that scene that matters from a LFL PR standpoint.

 

Well clearly she got the better of him but he came in sized her silently while she was strapped down he asked some questions about her comfort which were more intimidation than concern. Then told her he can take what he wants.

I saw 00000000 sexual chemistry. But if you add a sexual component to that scene Kylo comes off like a predator that gets denied.

 

Open Question 4 all the Reylo worshipers. Where were all the Va-Lei (Leia, Vader shipers) in 1977? (Long b4 they're related of course)

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

Reylo is SICK!

 

Since the beginning, I've believed that Rey would be the daughter of Han and Leia. I don't think she's a Kenobi or some other random person, because it's already been established that the new films are continuing the story of the Skywalker family, and as the main protagonist of these films, I don't see Rey being the daughter of anyone other than Luke or Leia/Han.

I'm fairly confident that Rey will be revealed as Luke's daughter, and if that's the case, I don't think her background is the big reveal of the new trilogy. It's obviously what everyone's been dying to know, but if it's flat out revealed in The Last Jedi, then it's most likely not the shocking revelation moment of this trilogy. However, it's already been confirmed that Luke has no idea who Rey is when she arrives on Ahch-To. In contrast, Leia immediately embraces Rey at the end of The Force Awakens as if they have some sort of connection, and they had no prior interaction that we know of (although I think they had a brief conversation via hologram in which Rey and Chewbacca informed Leia of Han's death; I believe that appeared in the novelization, but I'm not sure).

Additionally, Kylo Ren makes comments about how Han was like the father that Rey never had. Han apparently tells both Maz and Leia about her—though off-screen—and even offers her a job on the Falcon. Regardless of whether or not he knows who she is, I get the impression that he realizes she's important. I do think it's possible that he and Leia did have another child but that he remained unaware of her existence. She's not mentioned at all in Bloodline, although they explicitly mention their son on several occasions. However, it is made clear that Han and Leia spent a lot of time apart in the years leading up to their separation and the events of The Force Awakens, and that the whole time, Leia is aware of Snoke's influence over Ben. (The Force Awakens novel even establishes that she neglected to tell Han about Snoke/Ben because he was a non-Force user and wouldn't understand.) Because of this, it's possible that she hid Rey in order to protect her. (I also found it interesting that Rey specifically makes reference to knowing who Han and Luke are in The Force Awakens, but never mentions Leia.)

With this background in mind, I have a few possible theories. Firstly, I definitely think it's plausible that Rey is related to one of the three main characters from the Original Trilogy but doesn't know it when she interacts with them because that's not who left her on Jakku. Perhaps she was in the Falcon at the time it was stolen and left on Jakku (and then her memory was wiped) or perhaps she was entrusted in the care of a family friend (like Lor San Tekka) so that her existence couldn't be detected by Snoke. Her idea of who her family is may not be entirely accurate. If she was kidnapped, and it was done at a young enough age, she could have been tricked into believing that her kidnapper(s) was/were her blood relative(s).

I also think it's possible—though unlikely, given how fans reacted to this in The Phantom Menace—that it was a virgin birth, therefore making only Leia her parent. Perhaps she was conceived, just as Anakin was, by the Force when there was a need for balance again. When Kylo Ren was first tempted by Snoke, which was probably at a young age (even if he didn't actually fall until much later), it disrupted the balance in the Force, prompting a need for another to bring light to restore to it once Kylo Ren inevitably fell to the dark side. Given the fact that Leia is extremely strong in the Force, it's possible that she was Rey's sole parent.

Just a few thoughts. Sorry for the long rant, but I've obviously thought about this a lot and really haven't discussed this with many other fans outside of my friend group. I just thought I should bring this up because Rey Solo was who many people assumed she was prior to The Force Awakens, and after seeing the film, it became one of the least popular theories out there, but I don't think it should be dismissed yet.

 

Yes.

Btw, from the movie dialogie we know this:

Rey is waiting for her "family." The only clue we're given in the movie is that she feels Han is "the father [she] never had." "Father she never had." Not just "like a father." Suggests - if not outright states - that Rey never knew her father.

Also:

The dialogue in Maz's castle. Maz tells Rey that Rey already knows the truth - whomever Rey is waiting for on Jakku is never coming back [to her], but there is someone who still could come back [to her]. Rey replies, "Luke."

So Luke "could still come back to" Rey. Interesting.

(And yes, that's what the only grammatically correct reading of those lines means. I've already had to explain this once, elsewhere, and I'm in no mood to do so again.)

And if you don't find direct textual evidence to be convincing, well, then...I just can't help ya.

Unless you'd like fountain pen suggestions. There are some REAL quality pens out there that are amazingly cheap My personal fave is the Pilot 78g.

/tangent

 

So it would or would not be more disturbing if they were blood related? Im a bit confused by your answer, cant see if you agree or disagree with me?

My comment was about 'why isnt the discussion welcome'? And i completely agree with you. Not everyone saw it the same way (as you did)

He was talking about the map. That she has seen. And he wants her to give it to him. The map. Kylo is talking about the map. The problems arise in everyone's interpretation of that line being about more than just the map, i think. and that's where the inuendos come from. Personal interpretation of the viewer.

I said many women. Not all.

So you see the rapey wibes?

Exactly!!!! Dont you see this is the problem? That people see kylo-rey interrogation scene as rapey just cuz she is a woman??? Not based on the actual exchange that happened on the screen. The same way they do not see kylo-poe interrogation scene as rapey just cuz poe is a guy even if that interrogation was violent?? In my opinion that is offensive to women. That she gets put in that context just cuz she is a woman.

No. I think some find it disturbing just because she is a woman. Which is sexist, in my opinion.

Thats fair enough.
I dont read metas. I go by my gut feelings.

Dunno why but reading your b&b comment reminded me of this:

Perhaps people dont see reylo here cuz Rey is "not cute enough" in her role? I dunno
(please acknowledge the quote marks, lolz, thnx )

To explain my take on this in depth would be delving into far off topic of this thread. But i do not support reylo between both kylo and rey as they are in tfa. They both need charachter development for it to ever be acceptable for me.
I am glad, however, I can still surprise people.

So you see no sexual tension but yes rapey wibes? Im curious about this. Would you mind we discuss it further somewhere else?

I vaguely remember Daisy commenting something on it approximately a year ago, debunking it. But lets take it as not official confirmation cuz i cant be sure of her exact words, since these things fly me by. I don't think she is Kylo's sister for many reasons but one of the most compelling would be the total amnesia Han and Leia have in tfa about the possible existence of their daughter? Parents don't normally forget about one of their kids.

That is great. I have no problems with people who ship reylo nor with people who don't ship reylo. I like discussing reasons pro and contra, tho. Very much.
And again a curious statement. You do get rapey vibes but not abusive ones or sexual ones? That is very intetesting to me. Can we discuss this in pm?

That is an excellent point.

In your proffesional opinion?

 

The only way I could see "Reylo" working is if they do some sort of role reversal in The Last Jedi, with Rey falling to the dark side and Ben being redeemed, therefore making him the Skywalker of the Sequel Trilogy. Kathleen Kennedy has already established that this trilogy will continue the story of the Skywalker family, and from both a narrative standpoint and a commercial standpoint, it doesn't make sense for Rey to turn to the dark side. I could see her being tempted, but she isn't going to turn to the dark side, so I can almost guarantee you that she's Kylo Ren's sister or cousin.

 

I would not find it more disturbing if they were blood related.

They also only have two movies left, it would be really difficult to do a compelling fall and redemption arc in that amount of time with everything else going on.

 

I agree. The Force Awakens novel confirmed that she was tempted by the Dark Side during her fight with Kylo Ren because a voice kept whispering in her ear, "Kill him," or something to that effect, and she overcame the temptation, so it's possible that they could have something like that pop up throughout the remainder of the sequel trilogy. But to have her fall and then be redeemed seems like a lot for two movies when there are so many other character stories that they need to focus on as well.

Not to mention, it wouldn't be completely believable because Rey has been established as a pure, morally good character (her willing to starve just to save BB-8 from Unkar Plutt and not giving in to the temptation to kill Kylo Ren are just two of many examples).

 

@Trev Welcome to the Cantina. Rey being Luke's daughter is definitely a possibility but using KK quote about the ST continuing the Skywalker saga is in my opinion not very good evidence. It is actually very polarizing. Over in the Rey is Luke's daughter/evidence for and against thread it has been debated endlessly. I and others will argue that Rey not being random and not a Skywalker does not keep the KK's quote from being untrue. Luke is still a very large part of the ST. Kylo is a Skywalker. Leia has an important role and is a Skywalker. The ST is still about the Skywalker's even if Rey is not one. Those on the other side will insist that Rey is the main protagonist (which is true) and because of that she must be a Skywalker in some way in order for KK's quote to be accurate. Each side of the discussion are pretty set in their opinion. Of course the scenario that would make both sides correct would be if Rey is random, Luke becomes the father she never had and eventually takes on the Skywalker name.

 

Hello! Thank you for the welcome!

I think that's an interesting point. It definitely does not make Kathleen's quote untrue if Rey is not a Skywalker. I think, more than anything, if Rey is revealed to be a random person (or not a Skywalker), it will trigger an eye-roll from the audience the same way Obi-Wan Kenobi revealing the identity of Luke's family was true "from a certain point of view." Kathleen's quote would still be accurate, but I think a lot of people would be disappointed/irritated because if Rey is the main protagonist, it would make sense for her to be a Skywalker. That doesn't mean she has to be, though.

Besides, we should really take everything Kathleen says with a grain of salt. I'm still a little suspicious as to whether or not all of her comments about Carrie Fisher's role in Episode IX is a cover-up for Leia's death in The Last Jedi. I mean, really, Kathleen can say whatever she wants, but at the end of the day, what matters is what's in the movies.

 

Going by my personal theory of the ST's structure, as originally intended, it made a LOT of sense for Leia to be prominant in Ep 9.

Tbh I have no idea how they'll adjust, if my theory turns out to be correct.

 

Really? Have you posted it somewhere before? I'd be curious to hear about it!

Not that I'm saying I doubt Kathleen Kennedy, but I could also see her making some false statements in the months leading up to the release of The Last Jedi in order to avoid giving anything away. I remember during the red carpet of The Force Awakens, she explicitly stated that the entire cast would be returning for Episode VIII, and then some newspaper picked up on that after the movie was released (not knowing that she said this before the movie came out) and reported that Harrison Ford would be in the next film despite Han's death.