SPECULATION Romance - who falls for who in VIII?

"Incest is the best/To Star Wars it adds/So much zest/But too many bads"

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That would be unhealthy of her. Individuals naturally form attachments, regardless of whether they want to or not. If they don't form attachments to other individuals, they usually end up forming attachments to organizations or ideals. Which is what happened to the Jedi. Rey shouldn't repress herself from forming attachments. She should "learn" to face the moment when she can naturally detach herself from attachments. I can say the same for Finn and other characters.

 

i didn't say she should, it's an example of something that would prevent Rey from having a chance at a relationship in the ST.
everything in context.

 

Rey falls for me in VIII.

 

I think the obvious one is Finn and Rose. Having only flirted with an onscreen romance between the new leads in the first movie, I think they'll go ahead and throw an obligatory fledgling romance our way via the people Finn and Rose.

Why the Finn and Poe coupling continues to persist in a vacuum is a bit baffling to me. No one speculates a Kylo and Hux, or a Rey and Rose. Admittedly there's no real metadata for any of those couplings, but I'd argue the same for Finn and Poe... but it persists.

 

Do you mean FinnPoe as canon? Or purely as a ship?

A light FinnRose romance seems the most plausible possibility to me at this point, given the sheer number of characters whose stories need to be resolved in the nect 4.5 hours of screentime. Even in the OT, there wasn't a great deal of time devoted to Han-Leia. And now there are more major characters...

But who knows. That's my hunch thus far, but I couldn't say I've got more than that.

 

That's the greatest leak ever.

 

Oh no, I think FinnPoe is entirely head canon but it's the only same sex pairing posited which is curious to me. In any event, I think the one pairing that will happen will be FinnRose though the screen time will be devoted to the mission, the romance will be implied. It's kind of weird because if they get away from the whole Jedi can't get married and have attachment thing, Rey could have any number of romances (Finn or Poe). I don't think Kylo gets the redemption arc that many would like to see that would make that romance possible. Rey hates Kylo right now, but... Luke hated Vader at one point too... things can change.

Han's line to Finn about telling the truth to women though really had me believing that over the long haul they were posturing Finn and Rey to be an item, but basically everything that seemed liked it was in TFA, was not. On an aside, not sure if I like that approach to film making

 

@Joe12Hawk mentioned something very interesting to me the other day. (Yeah I know you meant something different with that statement.)

The slave fell in love with the queen.
The farmboy fell in love with the princess.
The prince falls in love with the scavenger.
=> Reylo confirmed

 

Yeah. Maybe a kiss or something but maybe in Ep 9? There's just so much going on, oie. Hopefully they'll be able to effectively consolidate the action into the Resistance plot and the Force plot with a little FO plot in there too.

I think the "no attachments" thing has been portrayed as the most problematic element of the old Jedi Code. I'll be curious to learn more about Luke's "orthadoxy." I think it's fair to say that for some period of time after RotJ Luke probably knew/understood little of the Code. However, by the time Ben was sent to Luke, Luke may have gotten fanatical about the Code or something. Sounds like as of TLJ, he's rather disallusioned.

I'm certain Kylo will get a redemption arc. I feel it was heavily telegraphed in TFA. Him surviving, however...? Not sure about that.

I think FinnRey would have been sweet, but I think the ST will be focusing on familial and otherwise platonic love, not romantic love.

 

Rey and Finn would be cute together, but I also feel like their paths won't really cross all that much in The Last Jedi (or at least, that's the impression that I get). I've said from the moment that they announced Kelly Marie Tran would be a part of this film that her character (who we now know is Rose) and Finn will end up together. The way John Boyega talked about working with her and whatever, I always just got a feeling that Finn and Rose would be a thing, though I don't know that it will be emphasized as much as the Han/Leia relationship was in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

I'm not opposed to Finn and Poe being an item, but I just don't think it's happening. I never got the impression that they had a thing for each other in The Force Awakens. I always felt like they had more of a best friend/brotherly sort of relationship. (And don't even get me started on Poe supposedly biting his lip—some of the fans on Tumblr slowed that scene down and put it in a GIF to make it seem more seductive, but when it's seen in the context, I really don't think it actually meant anything.) I think it would be cool for the LGBT community to have some sort of representation in Star Wars, but I don't think Poe and Finn are or need to be that representation because I never felt like they were intended to be developed into a couple. Now that Rose is in the picture—combined with the fact that Finn already tried to flirt with Rey in The Force Awakens—it seems highly unlikely that Poe and Finn are going to happen.

 

Rian has stated that any romance won't be a big part of TLJ. There might be some that is implied. If that is the case then I would say it likely will be Finn and Rose. The question then is does that get built upon in IX.

 

Obviously (I dunno if anyone said this yet) the best romance is going to be luke and his lightsaber

 

Leaked artwork of TFA from october 2014:




"Before they knew what kylo's mask would look like, Lucasfilm conceptualised him holding a brunette woman in a protective/possessive embrace. They used a pose from Adam's shoot with Annie Leibovitz in 2013."

"You won’t find this concept art or anything close to it in The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. I’m almost certain that that’s because Lucasfilm are actively avoiding releasing any material that could even hint at where things might be going in future films. This kind of image is rather incendiary in that regard, and I’m surprised that it’s kind of faded into the background instead of being seized upon and picked apart."

Interesting...

 

1. Not really a romance-suggestive Kylo pose I could imagine seeing in the ST, if there is to be a Kylo romance..,

2. I'd trust the movie itself and what we know of TLJ more than old concept art as a basis for speculation...

Interesting tidbit, yes! I don't mean to dismiss the info en toto. But nothing I would read anything into at this stage in the game re Kylo's romantic future.

 

i don't know if it means anything. in context of the photoshoot, it's clear that the "story" behind these pictures is one of a "relationship".
also, it's hard to just dismiss the fact that Adam Driver was basically treated like a sex object in the show that put him on the map.

so i can see why people have this read on not only him, but on Kylo Ren as well.
it's hardly strong evidence, but you do have wonder at Kennedy casting someone who represents (in many a woman's eyes) the epitome of the awkward and maybe even potentially dangerous suitor.

 

When I first saw unmasked Kylo, my first thought was, "Ah! Yeap I see what target audience demo they're going for." XD (Note: I'd never seen Adam driver act in anything before.)

Also note the difference in how Kylo and Rey (TFA+TLJ) are made up. Kylo looks highly romanticized. Rey...doesn't. They made no effort to make her look older, or more "womanly," or the sort of "romantic lead" Kylo looks like. Not at all the way I'd think a female character for whom a romance is intended would be styled. The visual "coding" of the two characters look like a complete mismatch to me. Which makes me wonder of Kylo's appearance is more for the audience's benefit than any particular character's (beyond, of course, Kylo not looking "monstrous").

I think if one is to dig so deep as to consider old concept art, the actual character visuals from the movie should be considered as well, yes?

 

i had never seen him either and i have to confess i sniggered when he took the mask off because he was ridiculous ~ hahahaha
between the perfect hair and the plush lips they were definitely going for something very very specific--and Rey sees it too.

what's interesting about TLJ is--as you said--all the romance has gone out of their looks.
we've only seen a few images/clips, but they definitely took the curls out of Ren's hair.
even so, the one glance he gives in the bts reel shows his face as open and vulnerable as ever (if that's a clip from filming and not just Adam Driver turning).
and likewise, Rey's hair is down after Ahch-To. in terms of "coding" this is a visual sign of change, of maturing, and, frankly "womanliness".

it's all up the air still, i think. once again, a lot depends on whether they have a "bond" and what that means.

 

I like to think Rey's reaction shot is "Wait...what...you mean I'm in a *Disney movie*???" XD

Ahhh true re Adam's hair! You know, it's the opposite of the change in visual styling of Harrison Ford between ANH and ESB. Agreed re vulnerable - I was like "Wait...so...did he get his ass kicked AGAIN or is this a sign that that won't be necessary?

Maturity, yes. But compare Rey's face with how Daisy is made up in interviews. Imo Daisy definitely looks older, and more classically "feminine." I feel Rey has been given a look of greater understanding and maturity while retaining a youthfulness to her styling that I don't feel Leia had in ESB (costume aside, of course). I associate "womanliness" in movie visual styling to not only a look of maturity and competance but also to a more "traditionally feminine" look (not saying dresses/jewelry/etc - more like how the face is made up, etc). I don't see that they've done that with Rey, although she does look less "childlike" imo.

Yes. A very very heavy emphasis on yin yang, too, of course. I think that a big part of the bond thing may be to make up for the fact (?) that they never met before Ben's fall, or some other way to connect them more closely than they otherwise would be. (For example, I would be very surprised if they gave a Force bind to siblings - the relationship is already close enough that such a narrative device would not, imo, be needed.)

 

hahaha ~ true!

hard to judge from just a few clips. feels like all we've seen of him is potentially one single scene. could be post-bacta and he hasn't pulled himself quite together yet. though i also feel like it could be a deliberate choice in terms of demonstrating a shift in his priorities. Hux looks equally bad, which tells me these two might be done at "playing" galactic war heroes now that they are actually involved in a galactic war.

hard to say with Rey. We haven't actually seen her in a scene with her hair down, only on Ahch-To, which is a direct continuation from TFA. hard to determine whether she goes through a bigger change. her stance and expression on the toy merchandising suggests to me that she does/will.

besides which, if they were Force-bonded siblings, you would think that bond would have existed well before now in a much more concrete way.
hard to say since we don't really know how this stuff works. from a narrative point of view, though, i agree, it would be almost redundant.
and i also agree that it's through this connection (Force bond or not) that Rey will come to understand the rat's nest of Ren's mind and find compassion for him.