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Rose Tico in Ep 9

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by CnlSandersdeKFC, Dec 15, 2017.

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    I think Rose's "situation" in TROS is solved in a brilliant way. Finn's ask one more time to go with them, but she is so important making other operations on the base. She is a mechanic and a technician, not an explorer.

    Although, the film is frenetic with plenty of characters. In a technical way, including Rose with the trio, Chewie, C3PO plus the characters that they know during the film, would have been distracting and more difficult to tie dialogs and situations.

    It seems pretty impossible for Rose doing what Jannah does. Jannah is a great character too. Small part but with a great background. Both are great in this film.

    And at the end Rose goes to war. She has a small but great part in TROS.

    So, kudos to JJ and Terrio.
     
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    Chris Terrio has specifically shot down accusations that he and JJ 'shafted' Kelly Marie Tran.

    End of story.
     
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    Here is the screen time for every character :

    Rey Skywalker <54:45> Poe Dameron <26:15> Finn <26> Kylo Ren / Ben Solo <21> Chewbacca <9:30> C-3PO <9:15> BB-8 <6:15> Jannah <5:30> Emperor Palpatine <5:15> Zorii Bliss <4:45> General Leia Organa <4:15> Allegiant General Pryde <3:15> Rose Tico <3> Lando Calrissian <2:45> Luke Skywalker <2:45> General Hux <2:30> R2-D2 <2:15> D-0 <2> Han Solo <1:45> Beaumont <1:45> Snap Wexley <1:45> Babu Frik <1:15> Maz Kanata <1> Lt. Connix <:45> Commander D'Acy <:45> Nien Nunb <:15>
     
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    Yes, the "usefulness" they found for Rose was to make her a mechanics expert that was actually important to the war effort. That would normally be a role that is a better fit for a Star Trek than a Star Wars movie, but it is refreshing that Star Wars has also found some love for mechanics/engineers and acknowledged their importance.

    In any case, I stil don't think there would have been a Rose if RJ had not written her into TLJ, where she is a bad fit BTW (I know others disagree). I can't see her as part of JJ's original concept for the trilogy if any such thing actually existed.

    Jannah, on the other hand , works very well in the script IMHO and maybe is part of the Finn arch that should have been told in Episode 8, but ultimately was not.
     
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    Yes, because these Hollywood types always tell the truth. :rolleyes:
     
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    I know there are a lot of folks who think rose got done dirty in TROS, but try as i might to be diplomatic- with the story that was told i just don't see any real parts that would have benefited from her presence or suffer from her absence.

    (To be fair, I'm not a rose fan.)
     
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    I agree, but it would have been easy to make as relevant for the story as Finn or Poe by giving her two or three more lines. In a way Finn and Poe also didn't contribute much to the plot, the only difference there is, that they had more screentime ...

    All in all now after seing the movie, it feels a bit strange that both Kelly and Billie got to promote the movie and that there were so many interviews with them.
     
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    Rose was downplayed in TROS. There was even that cheesy line of her not being able to come with the main trio because she has to look at data (?).

    If you don't know how to use a character, then don't use him/her at all. But you could have easily replaced Rose with one of the new characters.
     
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    I suppose Finn was instrumental to the Resistance victory for the first time in the trilogy because he did something ( due to his force skills) that no one else could have done at that moment in the Battle of Exegol, which was to figure out where the transmitting signal was coming from ,and, then, he went on ( with Jannah’s help) to blow up the capital ship , without which the fleet would have deployed and won the battle.

    I accept of course the counter-argument that the transmitting tower could have been located by other means, for example, using science/technology as we would do ( after all , it is just a matter of detecting and locating the source of a particular type of signal), but that is a Star Wars ,not a Star Trek movie, and with their limited resources, it is unlikely that the Resistance could have done it in time to prevent the deployment of the Sith fleet. So, yes, Finn was the crucial factor plus Rey of course as she stopped Suoer Palpatine from taking all the Resistance armada down.

    Using the same logic, Rose played a part in the movie analyzing the specs to find a vulnerability in the Star destroyers’ design. That was actually a plus for her, but it is not a unique skill and it is something that could have been done by any other generic Resistance character if Rose was not there.

    As for Poe, he is what he has been all along in the trilogy: an ace pilot who is good at piloting and blowing up targets. But he is not a particularly good military leader or strategist. He also has a tendency to embrace suicidal missions and to be overconfident, which would be a disaster in the real world, but luckily worked out for him in Star Wars because he had other allies, including some supernatural ones.
     
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    This entire post is just factually inaccurate.
     
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    Can you please stop down playing people by accusing them that they are using false facts!?

    Opinions are no facts, but they are based on personal interests and personal interpretations of facts.

    I'm only seeing you talk about false facts, but you never bring up actual facts yourself. You're just presenting your opinions like we all do. And I get it, you like this movie. That's fine! But I also have my reasons (some of them are objective, others are subjective) to dislike this movie.

    Rose is one of them. And you can not deny that her role was minimized in TROS. In TLJ she was established as a women who likes to take some action herself and she was also hinted as possible love interested for Finn.
    Nothing of this was used or even touched in TROS.
     
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    The fact this is even still up for debate is hilarious for me. The hobbit was just there to deliver exposition that EASILY could have been Rose's if they didn't *intentionally* sideline her. Same with the space slug. She's a mechanic......why add a new mechanic when Rose could be doing that....

    And god that line about "No thanks, I don't want to be in the action" or whatever it was....and people didn't like the "It's about saving what you love, not destroying what you hate" line was bad? Great googly moogly.
     
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    I've already demonstrated why accusations that Kelly Marie Tran and Rose were sidelined or downplayed in TRoS are not factually accurate by posting a link to an interview statement from co-writer Chris Terrio pushing back directly against such charges and explaining both why he and JJ didn't send her along on the big Wayfinder quest and why her role ended up being less substantial than it was in TLJ.
     
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    Yes. Chris Terrio said that...but also threw ILM under the bus before walking that back in a hurry.
    Now supposed you take Terrio's word for it....why is the hobbit there? His role is at the base like Rose's. He doesn't split off. He's just there reading exposition for the audience. What about the slug? Almost exclusively at the base as well.

    See the issue with this?
    Those are two unneeded characters doing things Rose could do AT THE BASE with Leia which, like Terrio says, is why they shelved Rose.
     
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    Dominic Monaghan is in this movie because he's a personal friend of JJ Abrams dating back to the television series LOST.

    And Klaud is part of the film because Abrams likes the "weird alien" aspect of Star Wars.

    Neither of those things have anything whatsoever to do with Kelly Marie Tran or her character.

    Also, stating that Rose's scenes were cut because Abrams and others ultimately weren't happy with the way that the newly-filmed material featuring Kelly Marie mixed with the pre-existing footage featuring Carrie isn't "throwing ILM under the bus".
     
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    Characters in the movie for literally no reason but filling the same need the writer says they used KMT for, reducing her role further because they are friends with a guy and they "like weird aliens" while at the same time saying they "wish they could have written more" for her doesn't seem disingenuous as hell to you?

    THEY COULD HAVE JUST MADE THE HOBBIT A STORM TROOPER LIKE EVERY OTHER CAMEO. And had the slug be literally anywhere else.

    He said they weren't good enough and had to be cut. Which he then walked back.
     
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    @RoyleRancor, the arguments you're making are so spurious that they're not worth even attempting to respond to, but I will say that Dominic Monaghan's role is no more a "cameo" than the roles given to JJ's other personal friends who appeared in the Trilogy: Simon Pegg, Greg Grunberg, and Kerri Russell (which is to say that said role is not a cameo at all).
     
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    Then why have him in that specific role? It literally makes no sense if he's just there to spew dialogue around Leia when they almost explicitly say that's exactly why they left Rose behind. His role was so meaningless and frivolous it should have been Rose at the very least. Simon Pegg didn't shunt someone else's role. Neither did Grunberg or Russell. They had different roles. He was literally there to obfuscate the character of Rose.

    You want to talk about not worth responding to? You seem fully incapable of being any sort of critical to this film and get actually upset when others do.
     
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    Spouting spurious arguments and accusations is not being critical of this movie.

    And I haven't really criticized this movie because I don't believe there's anything in it worthy of being criticized (and I say this as a person who was lukewarm to The Force Awakens and is only really a fan of four things that Abrams has previously been involved with: Westworld, Star Trek 2009, Fringe, and Felicity).
     
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    I like the story Chris Terrio wrote for TROS, but his statement here is to simply try and put out some fires. The 1 minute and 22 seconds of screen time obviously upset some people and he's doing damage control.

    She done got Jar Jar'd.

    Anyway, time to move on yeah? Kelly Marie Tran will survive. She looked amazing in that red dress RJ posted on twitter.
     
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