THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

A genuine story about compelling characters would be a nice change from what we got in TLJ. JJ couldn't do any worse than RJ could he?? I know that's a loaded question! As long as JJ doesn't make another 2.5 hour Reylo fanfic movie then we should be okay. Maybe...

 

Man I agree with you, but considering Rian J went in exactly the direction you just mentioned you wanted JJ to go. They are not chancing it anymore. Case in point? Solo. If they truly believed that now, they would have stuck with Lord and Miller, instead they brought in Ron Howard. Seasoned commercial film director.

 

I do not know what these guys are talking about. I would love a movie that did not play it safe and did something new. I would also like it to not be dumb.*cough last jedi* So I guess if you hate Last Jedi you either 1. Hate women 2. Want a predictable fan service movie.

 

Rumor was (and rumors are always to be believed, right?) that L&M couldn’t get on board with one another and had veered too far from the Kasdan script. So LFL opted for a trusted single voice who’d do what was on the page and suggest any changes before making them.

There’s a slight difference between an auteurist vision and hired directors tweaking a vetted screenplay. I take your point though. It gives the impression they’re back to play-it-safe mode again. I would have really liked to see what those guys would do with free rein in the Star Wars sandbox though. Oh well.

 

Whether or not you perceive that you heavily implied "non-fans".......you did just that. When you say "thereare those of us who are fans of the franchise, and others who think they are it's bodyguards," you're straight up saying those defenders are not fans.

I understand. I myself am someone who enjoyed the film, but also had plenty of issues with the film. Plenty.

I'm 100% with you here. Those types of statements made by ANYONE, don't hold up. They're just detrimental.

Again, I have no problem talking with people who do not like the film as long as there's some sense to the discussion. But generalizing groups of people is never healthy.

 

These writers, who are professionals, should be able to make a movie that is interesting with compelling characters and unpredictable that will also appeal to fans. There's no need to go off on some half-baked nonsense stories like RJ did and piss off fans by writing the OT characters horribly. They can come up with different story lines, and I really hope they do because I don't want yet another death star, and still be respectful to the OT characters and previous movies. It shouldn't be that hard!

 

Trevor
The issue is not about the movie at all.
The problem comes when I produced so many SW related content & watched the movies in over and over again.
Everything came down to 1 movie and there it is for what it is now.
I usually don't expect much from anyone and don't think about getting favours back in return.
But this Last Jedi was a collective work of several decades inf not 10 years along with continued storyline produced in syncronized fasion as they did with Force Awakens?
But incontrast what they did with Last Jedi is beyond belief or expectation of being a SW fan since 1980's?
I didn't even enjoy the CGI as it was making any sense out of the plot or if there was twisted articulated falsified plot ?
I am still devoted fan of SW franchise but this movie was a total on purposefully movie put together with mixed strong message of feminism to politics inside it?
And thats the conflict with my "little boy" symptoms.
Being transgender is not going well with being little boy or little girl for me.

Well its not basic movie, its mega SW movie with all due respect.

No its nothing funny. I am transgender person with just happen to have a Youtube channel under my belt. Playing with stereotypes of not being Gender nuatral in Last Jedi goes to show what a loser mindset the [producer + director] have?

 

Well guys, I think I've switched teams...
Third viewing last night. I...I officially like this movie now. I don't like everything about it. But overall I think it is quite good. And I am even more enthusiastic about EP9.

So it CAN happen!

 

I concur : there's barely anything genuine in TLJ*. Most of its dramatic scenes are either interrupted for a cheap laugh or cancelled 15 seconds later.
The movie rarely tries to make you genuinely feel something*, and constantly betray your investment with a "Gotcha !".

Why do you constantly take me out of your own movie, Rian ?


*except when it comes to Kylo, of course.; but you can't force my sympathy for him with that kind of cheap tricks.

 

I have seen in three times and liked it less with each viewing. Wish it went the other way but as @Rhyoth said above it has to many cheap laugh gags in it. Also I just have problems with some of the characters in general.

 

Wow.

 

I tried but I didn't succeed. I can't love a movie where every character is bullied, brutalized and portrayed like complete idiots.

I don't know how I could love the characters if the director don't love any of them.

I can accept that people love it but I really don't understand.

 

I just saw the deleted scene where Rey jokes: "Let's go round the back"

This joke occurs.. while the audience is being led to believe that Luke is being blown to pieces.

 

I have watched it once today, and it confirms what I have felt about it after watching it twice at the theaters. I just don't care for it. I like it a little better than The Force Awakens, but, not by much.

I am not against the Luke being in a dark place. I am against just how far they went with it, and that they chose to have Luke blame the Jedi as failures and the reason why Sidious and the Empire took control. That they never actually come out and correct this falsehood in the movie. RJ following suit with many fans that it was the Jedi, and their rules that allowed the Sith to rise, that it was the Jedi's treatment of Anakin that led to his transformation into Vader. Simply silly. I am not saying the Jedi were perfect, or that they were portrayed as such in the Prequels, but their rules, their views, their ideals were not why the Order was destroyed or why the Empire took over. Sure some people will fill their heads with ideologies that the Jedi should have been using the Dark Side along with the Light, but that is never supported in any of the movies. So I just have real issue that the movie leaves off as Yoda and Luke laying blame of failure at the Jedi Order's feet.

Of course, there's the whole continuation of Rey having all this power and expertise after a mere week or two of just first getting in touch with the Force. I can't even get involved in the conversations anymore that want to try and draw parallels to Luke, Anakin and Rey. Rey has done everything she's done, on purpose with no one showing her anything, in just a matter of 2 weeks, as opposed to Anakin and Luke who need years to learn it.

Tired of the "it's all the rich peoples fault" victim hood mentality. The idea that people can only become "this rich" by engaging in immoral behavior or by stealing from the poor.

FInn's arc, Poe's arc...

I could go on, but, it really isn't worth it.

I didn't mind Luke's death, just wish they would have better explained it. I've talked to many people who aren't super fans that were very confused about what happened. I understand that they just couldn't have had Luke show up and save the day by destroying all the walkers himself and thus saving the resistance (I mean rebellion). Even though personally I would have loved to have seen Luke just go full on, beast mode on the First Order... But I understand why that would have not worked for the purpose of the story.

Maybe one more time I will watch it.. than that will be it.

 

the same for me and no more screenings will change my mind about this movie. That's why I don't have any hurry to get this movie. And I say this after I did spend so much money to get stuff from other countries earlier. No need this time, not even the regular release in my country.

 

While I didn’t like TLJ, I didn’t mind that Luke was trying to correct the vicious cycle of every generation the Jedi seem to produce someone who turns to the Darkside. I was actually on board with this when I saw the first teaser and Luke said the Jedi need to end. It reminded me of Kay in Godfather 2 and her dramatic scene with Michael.

What I didn’t like is Luke going cold on Han/Leia as that never sat well with me. I think I may have liked the movie if Luke wanted to take a different tact with Rey and trying to not repeat the past mistakes of the Jedi order, but he would never go MIA on Han/Leia.

 

Vicious cycle? Every generation?

So there are over a thousand Jedi turned Dark Siders out there? The movies don't even come close to suggesting this. In fact, one of the things that the Jedi were guilty of was their arrogance in that a Jedi wasn't capable of being turned to the Darkside, presumably because it rarely happened. Dooku was seemingly the first in a very long time because Ki Adi and Mace are dismissive of Padme's assertions that Dooku was involved in bad behavior. They had to find out the hard way that they were wrong about him. If "Dooku's" were a generational thing, than I would think they would have been more open to what Padme was saying, and not so dismissive.

Plus, the idea that it's the Jedi's fault that Jedi go to the Dark Side seems to try and absolve Anakin of his choices. Anakin was not entitled to be a Jedi. He had a choice. Be a Jedi or not be a Jedi. If he wanted to be a Jedi, well than he had to follow the rules. If he couldn't follow the rules, than he had to make the decision to leave. He wanted it both ways though, which was not a right he was entitled too.

A Police Officer is not entitled to be a Police Officer. They have to follow the rules, if they can't, well than they have to decide they can't be a Police Officer. A Priest is not entitled to be a Priest. If they want to be a Priest, they have to follow the rules. etc etc etc...

So the line of thinking that the Jedi are what created Anakin, and I'm guessing you mean Kylo as well, is really not supported in any of the movies. They create themselves through the choices they make. Which is one of the main themes of the Lucas movies. Choice! It's why Lucas mirrored a lot of Anakin's scenes in ROTS with that of Luke's in ROTJ. To show that in similar situation one made the right choice, and one made the wrong. One followed the Jedi way, one did not.

 

You make good points as this is an interesting debate. I guess I should clarify my ‘vicious’ remark as it’s in the context of what has occurred since Episode 1, not before.

In fact, I would go farther and say the Skywalker blood is the cycle that needs to stop. While Luke and Leia were heroes, Anakin and Ben go dark, so there is a repeat theme happening with this family.

That’s why I equated it to The Godfather 2, as Kay wasn’t talking about the Mafia in a macro sense, but more the Corleone blood as she didn’t want her kids going down that road.

But you do make good points in a macro sense about the Jedi Order.

 

I have seen a lot of people claiming that TLJ was sculptured YA. If that was the case why didn't KK go after Patrick Ness? RJ is a hack at least with Patrick an award winning writer, Oxford University lecturer tv script writer and has movie adaptation of A Monster Calls and openly gay. At least he would know the market and at least make a compelling story something TLJ Is not. It's just dumb and unoriginal Rian is a bad writer plain and simple. His writing style is just completely mushy.