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THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Kript, Dec 13, 2017.

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Which points do you agree were not well made and you did not like?

  1. 1.Luke as a character

    192 vote(s)
    57.1%
  2. 2.Phasma being wasted

    148 vote(s)
    44.0%
  3. 3.Forced and bad humor

    200 vote(s)
    59.5%
  4. 4.Finding out nothing about Snoke and his premature death

    181 vote(s)
    53.9%
  5. 5.Rey parents being nobodies

    128 vote(s)
    38.1%
  6. 6.Maz and Luke's lightsaber

    123 vote(s)
    36.6%
  7. 7.The knights of ren are forgotten and nowhere to be seen

    176 vote(s)
    52.4%
  8. 8.Leia flying through space scene

    219 vote(s)
    65.2%
  9. 9.Luke's weightless death

    147 vote(s)
    43.8%
  10. 10.The whole Finn and Rose plotline

    225 vote(s)
    67.0%
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    I could be interested in something really new ( but not the one with RJ because I don't like his storytelling ) but ep IX isn't in my list of interest.

    I'm still confused why they bringed back the old crew to treat them like the losers they are in this ST. It's wasn't necessary unless they needed them to bring old fans to theaters.
     
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    Fair enough, many of your objections I concur with.

    It seems to me that's the weird thing with TLJ. Everywhere I look, one side "always" the evidence that proves their POV. Most of my friends didn't like it... and yet they all have differing views on why it was "bad" or whatever, yet you can check through the different forums and threads here and people will praise various aspects, some of which I think are issues. I don't think we are going to get a proper audience reaction because the audience is split. Again, my friends and social circles didn't like it save for a few people here and there, but your friends and social circles love it. That doesn't give either of us a determining factor or point of reference.
    But, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if TLJ (or the ST for that matter) go the same way as the PT. It takes about a hundred or so viewings before the flaws become apparent and ruin the whole thing. :p
    I'm hoping TLJ is the fluke of this trilogy. I've enjoyed TFA and Rogue One, and Solo is looking pretty exciting. I do care if I'm disappointed, but as of yet, I have two of three films that are good.

    Based off what I gather from you, the best thing I can recommend is to judge for yourself. I don't think the audience reaction is enough to give a final decision, because the audience is finicky. Likewise, critics always go back and forth. All I can say is that you have to figure out for yourself what you've thought of the each of the films, because no one will give you a satisfying answer.
     
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    They needed a bridge with TFA. Mission accomplished. Now, they can try and make a new story. The problem is, the new characters aren't interesting enough compared to the Skywalkers. Say what you will about TLJ, if they don't bring Luke back as a Force Ghost for Episode IX? It would have been a huge mistake to kill him off in TLJ IMO. I'm not expecting much with IX because Disney is not going to make the movies that we want, you can't even argue with that because we have case and point: TJL
     
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    Might I change it to "What took you so long?"
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    Exactly. And I'm happy that from all my friends who went all these years to see a SW movie non will go to see Solo. The main reason is that they are not interested to see this movie and also they didn't like TLJ so they don't want to spend money for no reason...
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    Why you buy a movie you didn't like/dissappointed you? I don't understand that. If a movie is bad, if I don't like it, I don't buy the bluray. I woul have no plans to watch it ever again. There are so many movies and so little time....As for not going to see a new one, that's logical as well. You send a message that the previous one you didn't like and you are cautious not to be burned for a second time...
     
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    Because it's Star Wars! I own several movies that I'm disappointed in because I like to study them and understand why they are bad. TLJ is no different, plus it's a part of the Star Wars Saga whether I like it or not. It's part of the collection.

    If Solo bums me out, then so be it. I'm optimistic about it at the moment, and if I come home after seeing opening night thinking I wasted my time (which hardly happens when I see movies good or bad), then I will reconsider seeing IX opening night.

    Thing is, Star Wars has been such an important part of my life, that it would take a lot ( a lot) to get me to not see a film opening night. If I had known TLJ would have disappointed me, I still would have gone. If every SW film from here on out disappoints me, then I will reconsider it. I like seeing the Marvel films as quickly as I can because I don't like getting hit with spoilers, regardless of the quality. If that's what SW becomes, then that will be travesty, but it's my duty as a fan.

    Since I was addressing Buckeye to see if my "review" would be enough to make him see it, great. I just needed some solid framework to understand his reasoning and views. I don't think I'm the one to convince him, but hey, that's why we're all here, isn't it?
     
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    Opinions on movies can vary and everyone sees it differently. I certainly can't deny that. I actually read a comment a while back that Leia Poppins was one of the most brilliant moments in cinematic history. WHAT??:eek::eek: Maybe the person who wrote that comment was drunk? I think if I see an overwhelming number of people saying negative things about Solo and I hear bad reviews then I'm going to be concerned. That's exactly what happened with TLJ, but I had advanced tickets and had no choice but to see it opening night. Then to make matters worse, assuming that I would enjoy it as much as TFA and RO, I agreed to go see it again opening weekend. And that was after I already sat through it once and didn't enjoy it. I actually dreaded having to watch a SW movie again, and that was a first. I'm not making that mistake again! Since it sounds like you're going to see Solo opening night, could you be buddy and give me a review? :) I mean I could see it and judge for myself, but since you're seeing it opening night and all... I'll need you to do that for me on Ep. IX too. Thanks in advance.:p
     
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    And see this commentary over the last couple of pages, of people no longer willing to buy multiple advance viewings? Waiting to hear from others that it is a SW movie and not a Disney SW movie? That is what I mean by EPIX sailing into a head wind that TLJ didn't face. TLJ created it. TLJ had a tail wind given to it by TFA. I strongly suspect the box office numbers represent an over-performance for TLJ. I keep saying it, all things remaining equal I think you'll see if Disney has damaged the brand with SW enthusiast if EPIX week 1 numbers are low representing people who are no longer willing to "push all in" on SW based on faith and past performance.
     
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    I'd be happy to give you my thoughts on it!
    I really hope for everyone's sake that Solo blows it out of the park.
     
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    I think episode IX is going to really struggle. These days a film in a franchise is also a trailer for the next movie. This is why you can't judge box office on a franchise film alone, but how it affects the next movie too.

    For example, Batman vs Superman basically killed a lot of interest in Justice League. Justice League should have been an easy box office smash, but not even Wonder Woman's success could salvage how badly BvS and Suicide Squad damaged the DC brand.

    Now, the good thing about these classic, time-tested properties, is that you can re-set the universe. People will hold out eternal hope for good new Star Wars movies because the original trilogy was just that good.

    So I think Episode 9 will struggle and Disney will end the Rey/Kylo/Poe saga. But a new trilogy by the Game of Thrones guys could easily rekindle fan interest, and even Rian Johnson could succeed if he actually takes some criticism to heart (not sure he will though, based on recent interviews).
     
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    Realistically how can the Resistance win?

    People are joking that every member of the Resistance is on the Falcon.

    The Outer Rim people ignored Leia so they are not going to help. Even if excuses were made that the outer rim people can't get to Crait on time, they could still have said something like: We are on our way to help?

    The FO came from the Unknown Regions

    The inner core NR Navy were all destroyed.
     
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    I actually love most of the characters created for the ST, tbh.
     
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    They are good characters.
    I just wished their character build up didn't come at the expense of the OT characters.
    I mean, even Hodo was okay. until she broke SW tech lore.
     
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    I can agree with that.
     
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    yeah, I also don't get it and why buy a movie you don't like. I don't want to convince anyone not seeing Solo, it is just that I don't buy any tickets in advance (huge mistake I made for TLJ) and I also don't go into this movie later. A few German fb friends already wrote me yesterday and asked what this thing (the trailer) was. They asked if it is parody. :eek:I couldn't answer this since I have not yet seen the trailer. :rolleyes:
     
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    there's always hope eh? :)



    it truly worries me that those who hated or disliked TLJ are hanging on by their fingertips waiting for someone to come along with a film or trilogy 'done right'.. something that 'puts it all back on track'

    new Star Wars movies are coming thick and fast now, and i think it would be healthier for every single one of us to try and take them in our stride a little better.

    The Last Jedi was different.. nobody will argue with that. it's quite literally the only thing that a lot of us will agree on lol. I loved it, but would have done loads of things differently. I loved ESB... but i would have done loads of things differently. The fight between Luke and Vader in ROTJ is one of the most magical scenes ever in my opinion... but i can't stand the rest of the film.

    those that know me will know that i'm not jumping in here to convert you to TLJ or to silence anyone voicing their displeasure at TLJ.. i love you guys.

    there will however become a point when negativity towards other ppl's opinions and extreme negativity towards the franchise will have a lasting impact on the Cantina and our friendships.

    i have barely posted anything about TLJ since i saw it in December, and the main reason is that i actually feel bad for liking it.
    stupid i know.. and i'm not the only one.
     
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    @Maximus that's why people who dislike the movie mainly only post in this thread. So people who enjoyed the movie have so many other threads to talk about what they love. And even in this thread noone makes someone who likes the movie feeling bad. :)
     
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    what we all think of TLJ and where we talk about it is not what i worry about the most. I worry for those that may miss out on an incredible Star Wars movie in the future because they have drawn a line in the sand because of not liking TLJ. I worry that there are star wars fans out there as passionate and obsessive as me that won't walk into the theater next month thinking "omg i'm about to see a brand new star wars film!".

    i get actual butterflys in my stomach when i sit down in the theater on opening night of a Star Wars film, and i get a sense of panic almost when i see the LucasFilm logo. i know that everyone else feels the same way... and i worry that one film will destroy that for some people.

    it's not what everyone is saying about TLJ or KK or Lucasfilm that bothers me.. it's how you all feel that worries me :)
     
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    @Maximus I really appreciate your words and you can believe me for me it was not a decision I have done so easily.:(
     
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    I realize now all of us complaining, ranting, blogging, youtubing against The Last Jedi are just suffering from PTSD.

    Post Terrible Sequel Dissapointment.
     
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    is this a decision that you wont be going to see Solo?
     
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