THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

The folks that do it go with that characterization of "TLJ haters" because they are the easiest to dismiss; can even dismiss it out of hand without analysis. There are other things that also could be affecting sales, but I think what is principal in driving the numbers downward really is a disenchanted audience. No one was expecting SOLO to do TFA numbers. And I seriously doubt that people chose not to see SOLO because they fired the original directors and had to do reshoots (for some reason this keeps getting floated as a reason). Why would a fan care about that? But unhappy fans vote with their feet.

A number of us said, long before the premiere of SOLO that we expected TLJ to cause problems for future SW movies; I said it back no later than March. And here we are. It would've been SO much easier to simply acknowledge that TLJ had some problems and not to try malign those critiquing it.

 

I defintly think The Last Jedi has had a negative knock on to Solo.

Take away what anyone thought of the movie and look at the conversation by the general population, After the the Force Awakens you had a massive buzz among casual viewers hardcore fans and general pop culture talking about what could happen next, what the mysterious it presented and what they meant. Thier was a buzz around Star Wars.

That hasn't been present since the the Last Jedi as been released, the conversation has basically all been was that any good? not ow i wonder what happens next, or I can't wait for the next one. The general excitement for star wars has dipped drastically after the release of that film, and while that is in no way the only factor in Solo's disappointing performance, it is defiantly one of them.

 

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/‘solo-a-star-wars-story’-advance-ticket-sales-already-breaking-records-besting-‘black-panther’.54771/page-11#post-504673

Dissenting opinions don't matter outside of this thread, which seems par for the course since Dec 2017. Nowhere did I say I hate SW. Insert reason for not going to Solo and feeling disenfranchised by TLJ are not necessarily mutually exclusive, no matter how much people try to deflect.

Possible reasons for failure:
Linear storytelling since takeover in contrast to Marvel
Apathy/Excitement - I can easily slide my distaste for TLJ here, but I cannot make such an assertion without locking a thread down.
Timing
Production woes

 

CBS Sports - Star Wars fan Joey Bosa thought 'The Last Jedi' stunk, has high expectations for 'Solo'

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...st-jedi-stunk-has-high-expectations-for-solo/ (May 26, 2018)

 

No idea who he is but I completely agree.

 

Solo might be the first Star Wars film to completely tank, it's not looking good. Are we really tired of Star Wars? or did TLJ really do irreparable damage to the license? Maybe some fans just don't want to see a movie we don't want. Making movies for people who will see your movie, interesting concept right?

 

A fanbase is important not just because of its real numbers, but because it's up to it to create a positive buzz
around a movie.
If a fanbase don't perceve a movie like an event, if they don't feel the hype, how can they transfer some enthusiasm to the GA?
That's why you have to take care of them.

It's not that you have to do whatever they want, but things have gone far too wrong in the last months.
Even the way some of the LF people behaved on the internet hasn't helped.
Some of them just lost tracks of basic p.r..
And I don't wanna hide anything: I'm not afraid to say that some of the fans are trolls or whatever you want to call them.
Still, when you rapresent the pubblic face of a company, you have to be better than them. Because in short: that's your job. Period.

However, sure Solo met a perfect storm.
There are several reasons as to why things have gone the way they did.
But TLJ is one of them too.

Not the only, but one of them.

And... I don't 100% trust RT or IMBD ratings... I don't even trust Cinemascore. It's well known.
But I've always said, they cannot be dismissed.
No one can say the vast majority of the fandom/or of the GA loved (or hated) TLJ but there's not a conspiracy
even more so a worldwide conspiracy.
It's something worth to discuss.

Looks like I was right: Solo ratings are no where near those of TLJ.
Where are the russian bots?

Also because, Solo ratings... they seem to increase.
And it's not surprising if we look at reactions here.
The movie, it's not a masterpiece but a good one and sure is not divisive.
Even among those who didn't like TLJ is not bad received.
In fact... ratings are not spectacular but better than those of TLJ.

So again, don't take rantings as "the" truth... but as an indication.

That said, personally, I think that moving the release of Solo to December would have change something, but not a lot.

Around the glob, Solo is behind R1 (not TFA or TLJ) of something like a 50%. That's huge.
May or December cannot be the point.

Nor it is fatigue... fatigue is a problem only if a franchise is not doing well.
It may be a symptom not the cause/disease.

The real problem, imo, is that ST failed its main goal.
And it wasn't pleasing the old fans.
But creating a new generation of fan.

The ST was the big spot, the chance to get new people on board.
That would have came to know and love not only 3 movies, but that galaxy... all the franchise.

They are nowhere to be seen when it comes to Solo.

That's the problem.

The old fans are there. Not them all, but still them.

The goal was to keep the old fans and to get meanwhile the new ones.
You may even loose some of the old fans, if in turns you get more new people, more than those you loose.

But it looks like, they menaged to alienate some of the old with no benefit at all.
If so, then is a disaster.
Not for ep. IX (not in a big scale) but for everything else they have planned.
Parks and online tv included.

 

Well, I wouldn't go no matter what. I wasn't interested in Solo origin, and not only because to me Solo is Ford. Today a fellow fanboy told me he probably go to see it and when I told him about Pando, meetoo robot, the 16 years old girl and Maul (he was like What? That sith who was cut in half and fell to the endless pit?) he started to laugh and changed his mind immediately. You see, people here who watch cartoons and buy comics are surprised there could be life long fanboys who have no idea about Maul beeing alive in EU and thing that it's just hilarious. people here don't realize that the EU follow 5-10% of the moviegoers. I'm a fanboy since 83 and I don't watch Clone Wars or Rebels, no time for that at all, and I never took it as canon, so having Maul there is just absurd to me. I would expect Jabba or Maz Kanata, would make far more sense

 

imagine the profit they would have generated if they just made the Thrawn Trilogy movies.
Old EU fans: Yay! Movies based on books I love.
New/Casual Fans: Blue skinned alien who is a genius and made ships go boom! Sold!

 

Alternatively...

Old EU fans: #NotMyThrawn
New/Casual Fans: Who is this guy and why should we care?


It's easy to look through rose-tinted glasses when all you have is speculation.

 

I’m with @cawatrooper on this...

There’s no need to reboot the EU.
And I’m not sure it could work... for everybody.
If again, we think about both old and new fans.
That’s the same when I her parents people talking about
Revan or Mara Jade.

And if there’s something I didn’t love about Solo... was Maul.
And I’m one who those who enjoyed in the end his arc in Rebels.

But it wasn’t needed. Not only because of what @mecano said...
But because in Maul case and also in Enfys Nest case...
I just feel it was forced....

It’s like they tried too much to tie that story into the bigger story...

But the movie to me was fine and interesting just because untill then
It wasn’t about the rebellion and the force.

I mean... there are so many stories you may tell in that galaxy.
And you can use Han - a very well known character -as well as Lando or
Chewie to introduce us all into other themes...

I was absolutely fine with a movie about the underground world..
With a far western movie.
No need to do more than that.
At least to me.... it broke the tone. I would have love it far more...

 

I will probably go to Solo, but I am not in any rush, so I can't comment. I wish I could find the twitter exchange a fan had with Pablo essentially saying no one wants the Solo movie and he kind of just dismissed it as ~ "that's not what our research indicates", etc. Whoops.

On my way home, I was just thinking about what is the cause(s) for lack of SW excitement/Solo's BO beyond my dislike for the TLJ, and all the other obvious factors thus far.

So far for the ST, and further exposed by TLJ (and other ancillary SW products) is a lack of lore, world building, weapons, vehicles, creatures, etc., that I believe George or his chosen team would not have permitted to go so lean. I think it is a critical element to the survival of the franchise that seems to be really undervalued at present. JJ tried valiantly, and found a little in his mystery set-ups and the force awakens pig, Kylo's saber, etc.


As a child I had Taun Tauns, Wompas, Jawas, space worms and the new universe. Then George gave us new ship/trooper designs, worlds and so much more in the PT era. Whether you liked those movies or not, the worlds, weapons and creatures were there to play in and expand upon. There isn't anything new yet on that front for anyone to care about right now - or at least it's not getting supplemented.

If we really look at TLJ, we got nothing but a space cow being milked by Luke. Wouldn't it have been cool to see Rey or Luke battle some kind of creature near the island? Get further information about the uniqueness of Kylo's lightsaber or Vader's castle? I read the Heir to the Jedi - a blip about the tri saber. All these other peppered easter eggs/SG items seem to be blips with no real substance or spread too thin over the ancillary stuff.

Where are these kinds of things?




Looking at this from a toymaker/VG developer trying to play off the movies, I don't have many exciting things to work with, and LFL doesn't seem pushing that. The Fathiers? Maybe. I can't sell a space teet creature to parents as toy - what kid is going to do anything with the that? I guess you could make that thing into some kind of video game boss that hurls teet milk at you on level 2. Look at the ST ships, the design of the troopers....it was exacerbated by the 2nd movie, and I see none of it picking up elsewhere in the company. Maybe that is where Filoni, and the Resistance cartoon comes in, IDK.

JJ really needs to spend some time with Kennedy or Filoni planning out some of the worlds, weapons, etc. to incorporate down the line. It sucks to look at the 'Art of' books, because I would have loved to have seen Rey scavenging underwater.

You got SW and you aren't taking us anywhere. Yes JJ was derivative, but he gave us something to chew on. Rian just farted around. I can't imagine a real fan of SW not wanting to add a unique design to the backdrop, but I am not smart enough to get TLJ so.....

 

I saw the Last Jedi on a plane and I still walked out !

 

I'm surprised the vote doesn't have the silly Twilight scenes included. Or the running out of fuel plot... Or the women randomly shooting the main men...

 

To be fair, the poll should have cited all the scenes ...

 

This one kills me every time

 

I think TLJ is looking better all the time and it's pretty clear TLJ at least took risks and attempted to broaden the brand, while Solo just cashed in and served up a lot of leftovers and fan service.

One was a creative project, the other just rehashed things in a lazy way in a vain attempt to make profit, while delivering nothing new or bold.

And clearly the market has answered as to which tactic they prefer at the box office.

 

I agree, saturated fan service by way of easter eggs everywhere is not the way to go, but you must be joking when you say TLJ was fresh and bold. Even the verbiage between Kylo and Rey is jumbled up Empire post-fight.

I wouldn't discount apathy for the brand when examining Solo, directly correlated to TLJ. Based on RJ's twitter account, he will be abused for years by die hard Luke fans. Perhaps he will get a reprieve from that if he bows out of his trilogy, but I think he enjoys it. After all, he does love to troll and imbibe fan boy tears, which is a large part of why we find ourselves in such a state within the fandom.

 

Every fan who hated the movie paid to see it. Box office numbers are a joke.

 

The market, after seeing it, saw a 67% drop off from 1st to 2nd weekend. So I guess so, the market answered what they thought of it. They weren't too jazzed to go see it again.