THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Yes there is precedent : Luke Skywalker on Crait, Vader and Hoth. I already told you that.

I don't buy the sibling thing.

And there is no precedent in Luke Skywalker trying to kill a dude during his sleep, the son of this twin sister but many people are Ok with it.

 

I'll see Solo eventually the same way I saw Terminator Genisys and Batman v Superman, just not in the theater and not by paying directly for it. Good ol' DVR. Having boycotted buying the TLJ blu-ray/digital (which I own for RO and TFA) and not buying tickets for Solo to recover my money from having been spent on TLJ in December. Everything beyond that from now on is just wait and see mode. I might spend money on something else new, I might not.

I'm glad you enjoyed it though.

 

I have faith in J.J.

 

not with a smile......with his creepy laugh TM

 

I'll go see "Solo" in the theaters, like I did for the other two films. "Terminator Genisys" was okay. The characterizations were better than the narrative. But I LOVE "Batman v. Superman". The irony is that I didn't want to see the movie in the first place, but my family dragged me to the theaters to see it. Thank God.

 

And I wanted to see an Obi-Wan McGregor movie for years and they will make Boba Fett I don´t know what I´m still doing here....

 

I'd rather see an Obi-Wan film, instead of a Boba Fett one.

 

Wow, went to see Solo tonight (I always see Star Wars movies as soon as possible); I have never seen a SW movie that sparsely attended on an opening. And here's the thing, this movie wasn't bad. It was actually pretty good. This is why I am dubious on box office numbers being used to judge quality of the movie. I think this one is pretty good and I think it's going to falter at the Box Office for reasons unrelated to the quality.

 

So have all those that the rumours Obi Wan film had started pre-production at Pinewood studios turned out to be nonsense?

 

Solo's opening (and movie openings in general) is the result of audience apathy or enthusiasm and not the quality of the movie itself. There's a variety of factors for a more apathetic response to a movie: marketing fail, brand popularity, fatigue and backlash, less interest in the subject matter, etc.

It won't be until the drops or rises day to day and week to week are ascertained that we'll get a better idea of what the public thinks of it in terms of box office in addition to global user ratings.

It was only 5 months ago when TLJ and the media that supported that movie said to "Let the past die" or "Letting the past die" was their claimed favorite aspect of that movie.

 

I agree.
But the more I think about it, the more I think we really leave into a bubble.

All of us.

Whatever we think about the online reactions about TLJ (legit/fake/trolls driven) I really think that they - both positive and negative -
rapresent a very small part of the general audience.

And that something as big as SW is, IMO, its own beast.

I know a lot of people who would probably called themselves SW fan but they are interested in the movies only.
That they hold care.
Still, these are people that in their every day lives are not movie goers.
And more importantly these people couldn't care less of rating a movie on the internet, in debating a SW movie (or another one) here,
on youtube or elsewhere.
They just don't.

Others won't called themselves SW fan, but they have seen all the movies and they have a very strong opinion
about what SW is/should be.
Still they are not debating TLJ or SW on the internet.

With that being said, I do think something is going wrong.

More precisaly: they said a new generation of fan was needed.
That the ST was intented to put onboard a new generation of fan.
Good.

But this new generation doesn't care about SW.
Even if they like the ST they don't care about SW as a whole.

This could be said, even now.
Because it's pretty obvious that young people nowdays have showed not fatigue when it comes to other franchise.
Quite the contrary.
And that is why LF and Disney were/are trying to do with this franchise what other franchises are doing.

And if so... then they really have a problem.

 

you are 100% correct and I saw this coming when I first heard the Luke cameo rumor in early 2015 (and all the supporters calling me out for it). I'm not saying that all of this is dependent on Luke, but I just saw what they are trying to do with this franchise as a whole and with longtime fans 'Get rid of the Past'. A handing of the torch is fine, but the way you do it will decide if you take as many as possible of the old fans with you and get a good bunch of new fans (their kids for example). Don't forget if they lose a longtime fan, they may also los his/her family with it. Star Wars has always been a family event. Continue blaming fans or calling them stupid does not help, because at least they stll care a little. The question is just how long until they are also facing apathy towards SW as a whole.

 

After getting burned by what they did to Luke, perhaps some people didn't want to find out if that happens again to Han and Lando.

 

About the boycott... or to say it better about those who are promoting the boycott...
I don't think they will be responsable of the drop, if that will be case in the end.
Because I don't think they can move such numbers, just as said in the post above.

But are they more in touch with the actual general feeling?
That may be.

And not because of their channels or the feedbacks they are receving.

But because one thing that I've noticed is... that these are not people whose jobs - and not even channels until after
TLJ in many cases - have to do with movies.

They don't leave in the movies bubble...

 

The problem is that people who hate it are very vocal, people who don't care but go to the cinema are many, many more. So for Disney is just about numbers.

 

that's actually the funniest thing i've seen in this "thread".

there is no topic. right now people are talking about Solo and boycotts.

i have absolute empathy for the sincere members who are upset about TLJ.
i have no respect whatsoever for this thread or the 'loved it' thread or the 'mixed' thread.. none.

if someone made a thread titled 'thread for men who watched TLJ' or 'thread for white people who watched TLJ' it would be deleted and the member would receive a warning. division and segregation is all i see here (and in the love/mixed threads) pure and simple.

we're adults who share a love of all things Star Wars. hate the writing for TLJ? start a thread for it and we can all give our contrasting views. hate the story of the sequel trilogy? start a thread in the General sequel section and we can battle that out in a constructive way there.

there has to be a topic we can stick to.. else it descends into.. well, this quite frankly. you've all used forums for years and you know this is true.

private rooms for those that agree with [insert opinion here] are wrong on so many levels. i can't believe i have to say that here.

 

While I agree in principle with what you are saying @Maximus , sometimes you just need a safe haven where you can vent without arguing your point. If I want to discuss in detail with people with opposing viewpoints then I pop into the other threads. There are loads of other threads for that. . Unfortunately there are a fair few on both sides that won't/can't battle it out in a constructive way - so a thread like this is a safe haven for me as I prefer not to use the "ignore" function.

Although, I reckon this thread will have run it's course soon enough (at least for me) - I reckon I've vented enough about my personally perceived shortcomings of the film.

 

we all need to vent, and i love all things Star Wars enough to understand how much some of you guys must be feeling right now.

but this.. "If I want to discuss in detail with people with opposing viewpoints then I pop into the other threads"... this isn't right. If you guys don't feel happy enough to be yourself in other threads and post from your heart, then the Cantina is broken and we need to do something about it.

this thread (and the loved/mixed threads) are, by definition.. places that posters of differing viewpoints are not welcome.

it isn't right, and i would rather we all thrash it out properly and either fix it.. or shut the site down.

 

I do understand your point, and I agree.
Even tho, sorry, but I think that I had in this thread many conversations with people who liked the movie
and shared here their point of view

But sure, we could change and we should change the name of the thread even now...

That said... it's not that it didn't happen that someone did ask or invite other users - not only here - to leave the comunity at all
because they didn't like TLJ.

I've seen it more than few times.
And I'm sure the mods did they job - even if I didn't check, but I trust them enough.
And it's not that other threads about arguments x or y, haven't became - under the lines -
a fight between proTLJ and vsTLJ, with each and every one trying to read things in one way or another
to validate/push his/her own read of the movie.

That to say, I believe there's a problem we should not hide.

And that we all should try to overcome.
I believe your post can be a try... and a welcome one.

But more importantly I really believe there are very clever people in both sides.
And I'd wish those clever people to help to overcom the problem.
Not to make tha problem even more big than it is.
Sometimes, most of times perhaps, we ("we") fail.

Because you're right.
We are all fans.

I didn't like (at all) a movie, but I still like many other things.

The day I won't care, I won't be here.

But it has to be my choice.
Meanwhile it would be nice to share our pov respectfully.

 

@Maximus - you missed the part of my post that said "Unfortunately there are a fair few on both sides that won't/can't battle it out in a constructive way - so a thread like this is a safe haven for me as I prefer not to use the "ignore" function."

I do feel happy to post from the heart in other places, I wholeheartedly embrace it and I enjoy a good, balanced, vibrant discussion. But... there are times when the kind of posters I have described in the quote that you missed make that completely impossible - hence the venting.

And it's fair enough that in your opinion you would rather us all thrash it out properly, but like I said that's not always possible.

The JCF have the sanctuary. Here we have the "hate" thread. And I can't agree that because we have a couple of threads specifically for people with a similar viewpoint, we should shut the site down. Tad extreme me thinks. The ratio of threads for debate, compared to threads for similar views, is way higher and still get used.

You said "but this.. "If I want to discuss in detail with people with opposing viewpoints then I pop into the other threads"... this isn't right. If you guys don't feel happy enough to be yourself in other threads and post from your heart, then the Cantina is broken and we need to do something about it."

I think you're missing the point. I do feel happy to be myself in other threads. I do post in other threads, so there isn't this issue you claim there to be. But sometimes, being told I am missing the message of the film, that I don't like it because of head canon, bla bla bla, etc etc etc get's a bit too much, and I enjoy popping in here.

Maybe, just maybe, you should be addressing those people that can't discuss properly and/or treat their own opinion as gospel and/or claim everything to be hyperbole??