THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Being dressed as a jedi when you don't want to be a jedi is a bit weird but I guess it's all on JJ on this one.

I mean who wanted to see Luke as a jedi when being a grumpy tramp is so much Star Warsy ??

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Master Skywalker, you need to go back because Kylo Ren is strong with the dark side of the Force !

What a line !

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What is really funny is that this thread has a best rating than the last jedi

 

TFA told us Rey was well aware of the legend of Luke Skywalker though. Why is it so impossible for you to believe she’d also know he had the status of Master? That that wasn’t simply common knowledge? Couple that with whatever Leia might have told her (they didn’t just hug and that was that), and there’s nothing at all here that should legitimately confuse you. How did she know to call him ”Master”? Well, how did she know who he or the Jedi even were to begin with?

Nobody ever mentions the Sith though. They aren’t presented as this group everybody seems inherently knowledgeable of. The Jedi are. People are at least seemingly aware they existed. It's not absurd to think they also knew what they called themselves.

This just strikes me as the nitpickiest of nitpicks. If you want to point out an inconsistency, I’d look at the moment where Kylo mentions the Sith to Rey when that had no relevance to the situation or the larger story.

 

I'm not sure of the fandom as a whole, but out of everyone I talk to about Star Wars in person, family/friends/co-workers, most of us agreed Rey should go to the dark side. Of course, he only danced around it in the movie without any substance.

 

That's your explanation. She could have just as easily called him Teacher if she was looking for a mentor. She doesn't know (as best I can tell) anything about Jedi protocols.

She doesn't know that he is or isn't a Sith. We know that (the audience) but she doesn't. Rey is in-universe.

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Han told her.

They are the stuff of legend by the time TFA starts. But by the reasoning you put forth it's also reasonable to know that there are Padawans and Younglings. And that would make no sense. Rey is discovering an Order that's near it's death with little to no supplemental information about it. She should proceed as a clean slate IMO, not as a member of the audience knowing something about it . Unless someone refers to him as Master in TFA it's a gap. It's not one that destroys the story but it's an inconsistency.

LOL, am I reading this correctly? You're telling me what I should point out as an inconsistency based on your view? LOL. Hey if Kylo's mention of Sith is a point of inconsistency that you want to discuss, be my guest (it's another point that doesn't destroy the movie either but if you want to prosecute it, go for it). I'll pass on your suggestion though and raise my own points.

 

Sorry, my friend, I don´t give dislikes. Please search elswhere before you accuse someone. If I don´t like someone´s post, I just ignore it. - I came back to look for that "dislike" you are complaining - I didn´t find it. Anyway if someone gave you "dislike" on some post, it wasn´t me.

 

You know I can see who gave me the rating, right? But the dislike was already deleted by a higher force, so never mind.

 

My ears are still in pain when hearing (or reading) those lines from Daisy - I totally adore her but her performance in this movie was unbelievably bad.

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I know that you can see who gives the ratings. So if you are saying it was me, you are a LIAR, my friend. I repeat, I don´t give negative stamps, what I don´t like I just ignore, I do give positive stamps, a lot. I still hope you will realize you are mistaken.
ALAMAC told me I gave you the dislike and he deleted it. I´m so sorry, my friend, I had no idea, so it was I who was mistaken. I really never give negative ratings so I was very surprised you were pointing at me. I hope you can forgive me.

 

“Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth.” Meaning: She’s heard of this guy before and it wasn’t from Han.
“The Jedi were real?” Meaning: She’s heard of these guys before and it wasn’t from Han.

They are the stuff of stories passed on from one person to another. Like the one told at the end of the movie by a kid who refers to him as “Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master”.

Yes, it is.

Why? Luke was actively trying to rebuild the order only a handful of years earlier. He was a modern legend, not some relic of the ancient past. Rey, someone incredibly removed from things like this, regarded it as fantastical nonsense (like Han in ANH). That doesn’t mean she lacked all possible detail. She just didn’t believe it.

And I think that’s really rather silly. But have at it

 

I removed the Dislike rating and it did indeed come from you, @mecano. I'm going to assume it was probably a missclick - happens to just about everyone at some point. Let's reel the discussion back to where it used to be.

 

Are you sure? It must have been some wrong klick while moving the page down. In all these years I gave just one or two "disagree", never a dislike...Thanks for deleting it.

 

Eh, I've done it before on accident too.

Anyway... regarding the "Master" thing...

Trust me, as a person who works in a building with a lot of military personnel and am not a military personnel myself, I still make it a point to call them by their correct rank, and will look it up if I don't know.

It's not hard, and do we really this scene?:

Rey: So Luke is a jedi?

Leia: Yes. He is.

Rey: Oh cool. So do I call him Mr? Reverend? Monseniour?

Leia: "Master Skywalker" would be fine.

Rey: Oooh, okay. Yes. That is what I will call him. It will be the title that I address him by. Thank you for telling me. "Master", what a strange word that I never have heard before! Is it from a Jedi tradition?

There are really good ways to critique this movie. There have also been a ton of really bad complaints about them. This "Master Skywalker" thing fits into the latter category.

 

Guys, does anyone kows the numbers of digital download of TFA and TLJ? On other site I compared the blu-ray numbers 150 mil. vs 45 mil. USD and the opponents were saying that in two years sells of blu-ray went down while everyone´s now downloading...I was under the immpression that fans would likely go for the blu-ray - a colorful box on a dusty shelve....

 

Also depends on what features are available. This stuff is complicated these days lololol. Because if you're close to a WalMart, some features are available. If you're closer to a Target or Best Buy, sometimes they have a version with different features. Some people splurge the dough for steel books (big collectors thing). And depending on your streaming service (which some people like to wait for anyway) than you may only get access to certain extra content too. I have Google Play but subscribed to Vudu to get some of the content offered.

So complicated, lol

 

I concur. I actually proposed a 'jersey switch' in early speculation for TLJ.

 

PARENT: What toys do you want? You want that Holdo who shuts down that mansplainer toxic masculinity Poe who should be ashamed of himself?

KID: Naw.

PARENT: What the hell's the matter with you. This is important!

KID: I think I want Iron Man or some dinosaurs.

 

I <3 GRUT

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So it's not that TLJ has to sell as much as TFA did, sure there's a problem in the DVD industry..
but...
Franchises like SW are supposed to help those numbers not to fell down so quicky.
In fact, one may say, that 2016 sales went better.... beacause of TFA success.


About Holdo and all the resistance plot which is one of the things that I really cannot help but dislike...

List of the contradictions:

1- Without the distruction of the dreadnought, all the Resistance fleet would be distroyed in the events that follow 5' later.
I mean, with the Dreadnought still operating... no need of any chase at the very very very same speed (how clever, reable and exciting)

2- She's proven wrong for not telling the plan to Poe, by Leia herself.
Because when Leia does it, Poe... agrees.

3- She sacrifices herself, but the lesson Poe has to learn is that sacrifies are not a thing.

4- Poe is demoted for disobeying orders, but after the mutiny... NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.
Nothing but "I like him" (WTF?) and "Follow him" (double triple WTF combo)

Last but not least:
Have you ever seen a male general or vice-admiral or admiral, leading a space fleet in a fancy "civil" dress? No. But women can... because apparently that is feminism...
That women cannot help but be vain. Sorry if I take it as a sexist stereotype.

 

Just been trawling through old posts from a certain other SW forum, and I discovered this quote (I can provide the link in a PM as evidence if required) from myself on 1st July 2013 :

"My biggest fears for the ST are that they will a) they will be too disconnected from the Lucas driven 6 film SW saga, b) they try to be too similar to the OT and end up being a photocopy for want of a better analogy, or c) that Disney just stomp all over the films we have now so they can make a fast buck (although I don't really believe this one at all)."

Spookily prophetic for me personally.

 

3 out of 3.

 

Agree with all the flaws you list. Really, one hyperspace jump from some of the pursuing FO would even make this moot again. Lazy, lazy writing.

 

Ok so the latter point, I hadn't even noticed. Shame on me.

The former point - I don't know WHY this isn't discussed more. I kept running it through my head as well like, ok if Poe obeys orders, they jump to Hyperspace. They get tracked. Realize they're being tracked and can't flee (like before) but now the fleet killing dreadnought is still there. So then what? If you stop to deploy fighters they do too and overwhelm you (because a SD can carry like what? 72 TIEs right?) And how many SD were there? Like 8 or 9 + the Dreadnought + the Supremacy? Maybe you try to split up. Capital ship goes one way, smaller ships go another way. Supremacy and the Dreadnought follow the Raddus, and the remaining SD follow the smaller ships. They don't even get a chance to do a slow motion escape to Crait - right?

Or is there a piece I'm missing?

I think you could make the argument that the main characters bad decisions ended up having massive unintended but positive outcomes...

Rey never should've gone to the Supremacy, but by being there she gives Kylo the ruse he needs to kill Snoke
Poe should have followed orders, but his insubordination made the Crait escape ultimately possible
Finn should've... if Finn had only ... ok Finn doesn't really do anything that's a game changer. I guess killing Phasma is positive?

Sigh.