THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

All you've cited is anecdotal evidence and dismissed the demographic breakdown on IMDb for some reason. IMDb isn't a perfect measure for sure, but it's far more reliable than anecdotal evidence. So for whatever reason women who vote on IMDb like TLJ more than older men who vote on IMDb. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They make sense to me for the reasons I've already pointed out. It doesn't makes sense to you for the reasons you've listed. We're just going in circles.

Oh look... this video again. These videos are like porn. There's nothing really in them of value, but they sure make the audience happy.

 

This is exactly right. Those that insist that KK & Co. at Lucasfilm have no obligation to the fans or the audience are dead wrong. No, they don't have to deal with crazies who spew hatred and death threats, but to say that the customers don't matter and aren't owed anything? Any business that takes this position is destined to fail, Lucasfilm is no exception. Batman v. Superman and the DCEU is a good comparison. A few very recent movies of that franchise were not well received by the audience and received a lot of criticism for story choices. I do not recall the people in charge running their mouths and telling fans things like "You're not watching this movie correctly, that's why you don't like it." Or taking the position of "We will make whatever movies we want and if the fans don't like it they are butt hurt manbabies, sexist and/or racist." Actually, Kathleen Kennedy is doing the right thing by keeping her mouth shut, the same cannot be said for a few others on the payroll.

 

Ultimately they have an obligation to their shareholders. So making a film that most people like is the goal. It's the goal of most films. So far they've made movies that most people like. That's where this whole conversation goes off the rails because the people who think they're owed an apology can't seem to admit that The Last Jedi was a hit that most of the audience liked and a tiny minority hated. We're supposed to believe....

I'm really sorry some of you dislike the film. You're not entitled to an apology from Lucasfilm. Disney spends a lot of money in market research. They'll course correct if tons of people dislike the direction of the franchise.

 

Market Research? What's that, scouring Reddit for thumbs up? Or paying off reviewers? Or perhaps supplying magazine awards shows like Empire for perks. LMAO

 

We'll disagree all day and all night for the next six months about how much of the audience liked or disliked the film, and I can't admit that TLJ was a "hit" as far as the audience goes due to it's divisive nature. It made money and there were people who liked it, I will admit that much. I'm not looking for an apology because I didn't like the movie, but I do think that there's been some questionable behavior by those employed by Lucasfilm that should have never happened. I don't condone online harassment in any form, but going off on social media and attacking those who spend their money on a product you're involved with is too much and not the way to represent your company. Hit the block button and ignore the crazies, don't go off and attack the fanbase.

 

Do people really believe this kind of insane conspiracy mongering?

People also didn't like TFA. The Mary Sue stuff started after that film. Is TFA not a hit because it was also divisive with some number of the audience? There were plenty of people not happy with TFA.

Such as?

I'm a member of the fanbase and I don't feel attacked. Why? Because I'm not a bigoted troll harassing people online.

 

I've already been called a racist. You know, because of reasons.

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That's right - and LFL isn't entitled to a single dime of my money. They don't owe me anything and I don't owe them anything.

Of course, while Kennedy doesn't "owe" the fans anything, it would be extremely foolhardy not to engage in good business practices and do the things that good leaders in business do. In that regard, she is failing.

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Yup. Sure. All the negative ratings were from Russian trolls. The Netflix score, the Rotten Tomatoes score... is all faked.... everyone loved E8 and there's no fan division!! Heck I think Solo is going to make $950 million easily!!

 

Adam Does Movies - The Last Jedi is the Best Star Wars Movie Ever!!!! _ The Cringe ep13

It's a funny video but NSFW in the language department. Check it out if anyone wants to.

 

Yes, and how do you fulfill your obligation to the shareholders? Having happy customers who spend money is a good start.

Star Wars has gone in one direction since E7: Downhill. And quite rapidly. It is now in the realm of DCU quality.

You don't need to spend money on market research when you can just look at the numbers for Solo.

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And if people talking about how much they dislike E8 bothers you (which it clearly does given the amount of time you spend in this thread) then maybe you need to look at why that bothers you.

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This this this.

It's hilarious how often we hear them say "Kennedy doesn't owe you anything" or "LFL doesn't owe you anything." OK sure... and like I said above, I don't owe them anything.

 

Come on now, TFA and TLJ aren't even on the same level of divisive. Yes, there were some who disliked TFA, I'm not denying that, but it seemed like the fans in general were excited for this new trilogy at that point. I'd even go so far to say that the TFA haters were a tiny vocal minority... There are a couple of guys who write SW books who went off on some truly bizarre rants about fans that included all the buzz words like, misogyny, sexism, racists. etc. I don't think they were provoked in anyway, but like I said before, hit the block button and move on. Don't start screaming about neck beards and tell random strangers to F___K off. Act like a professional and don't feed the trolls.

 

Amen dude. They don't owe us anything??? Perhaps. But we are customers, despite what Amanda Ward said on twitter. We can decide NOT to give them our money, which apparently is what happened with Solo. The garbage they put out there and titled The Last Jedi pissed off a TON of fans, and they have sent a message to LFL. I just wonder if KK and company have gotten the message yet.

 

Do people really belive The Last Jedi haters are all man babies, racists and mysognists.

Do people who follow Rian Johnson on Twitter think they are his best mate?

Yeah am being sarcastic. I wanted to write more but restrained myself. In fact the whole post was posted with me biting my tongue.

I have serious reservation about TLJ. I have serious reservation about the director. I have serious reservation about the whole of social media in regards to this film.

Yeah I have changed the subject but to be fair I agree I am just regurgitating theories about how the movie media works. I have no proof. But at least am honest in that regard. Maybe am too honest. What do you want me to say? Lie through my back teeth and tell the world the film is fabulous?

But yeah your right its not factual as I can't prove it. But I still think this whole market research should be scrutinised because like it or not this film has fractured the fan base. If you keep
ignoring that over personal opinion then like any business it will die. And I for one don't want that to happen.

 

All videos are of different value, aren't they? Video essays can have as much value as a written essay. It's simply somebody voicing an opinion on a topic. I don't see the need for derision towards them. Do you simply dislike youtube as a platform, or video essays as a medium?

 

This right here. I'm tired of this crap that This crap that the anti TLJ people are conspiracy theory loving sexist, racist assholes while the people who like the film are super intelligent cultured and reasonable. I just talked to a young woman friend of mine who is a. Latina, b. an artist, c. a SJW if ever there was one and d. a Star Wars fan. She disliked the film immensely and stayed away from solo. She said she can't relate to Rey, and outright said, "Rey is a TOTAL F$%ING MARY SUE!"

I have no doubt the RT score for the film is fairly accurate. The fans didn't like it, and it's not because we suck. It is because the film is garbage.

 

Some people might have to live with the fact what they thought was Star Wars wasn't really Star Wars. Based on the debates I've had with people in the run up to The Last Jedi I don't think a film with Luke would have made everyone happy.

A segment wanted superhero Luke, a segment wanted Dad Luke, a segment wanted this or that. A minority of users in this forum said that if Rey wasn't a Skywalker they'd quit. MagnarTheGreat spent two years telling us over and over that Rey was a Solo. I'm not surprised he hates TLJ. Lucasfilm is better off increasing the audience. More women went to the opening of TLJ than went to TFA. If Lucasfilm is going to grow this franchise they'll have to expand the audience. Otherwise the only thing they can do it make vanilla films like TFA.

 

Amanda Ward, that's the other person involved with Lucasfilm who made an idiotic tweet about how people who buy tickets to SW films are not customers. Which makes no sense. There's another example of questionable social media behavior for you @DailyPlunge.

 

Some fans did like it. Some fans don't think its garbage. I have to say, this thread also complained that people were posting positive fake reviews. You really don't think they wouldn't do the same thing with those that hated it?

 

Not if they're one sided and not insightful. That video doesn't offer anything new. It exists only for ad revenue.

Amanda Ward doesn't work for Lucasfilm. She's Jason Ward's (MakingStarWars) wife. The customer thing was someone else. A freelance writer. Not someone involved in movies with Lucasfilm.

 

Whomever it was, it is an attitude that appears to be reflected by the people at LFL. Criticize any o them and you are chastised as being a man baby, sexist, etc...

You can dislike the RT score all you want. Roll your eyes at it. Explain why the film's DVD sales dropped what, 50% compared to TFA? Why are the toy sales down big time and why have long time fans avoided Solo? I assure you that RT score isn't due to Russian bots or whatever the excuse has been. Oh I know, it's like 5 angry white racists who manipulated it, right?