THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Oh sorry, I must have her mixed up with someone else.

 

Yeah there are legit reviews there, but you also have to acknowledge that it is not accurate. Simply based on what I said with the positive fake review issue.

 

I liked TFA. I still do. FAR FAR more enjoyable than the ridiculous crap they served up for VIII. I was really looking forward to VIII. TLJ was a poorly written film with crap characterization, inane plot tangents (Canto Bight) and just out right bad editing (the throne room fight is almost amateurish in it's editing).

As for Chuck Wendig, he is a freakin psycho. Seriously, I think the man needs help. Personally, if I were in charge of LFL, he'd be done. As would anyone who attacks the fans. These people need to learn how to act professionally. They could learn a lot from Ron Howard.

 

I'm in complete agreement with you on TFA. I enjoyed it and was excited for Ep. 8. What a letdown that was! Garbage plot, no character development and all around pointless.

Wendig seems nuts along with Paul Kemp. I couldn't believe the things that they put out there on Twitter. Good lord, get a grip!

 

If makes you feel happy I never cared about Rey's last name. I fell in love with a a character that had so much to give, so much potential with two films to go. But nope she was brushed aside to focus on the 'real' story which has nothing to do with her and more to do with a self inserted man's vision of white man pain. I really wish Finn was the jedi now because do you think he Rian would still have gone with the 'Force(d) Bond (age) story line? No he would not. I seriously doubt it.

But if also helps I always thought the story was going to be about redemption. It's just a shame that characters have been destroyed to provide that story.

Maybe that makes me different from Magnar but he's never antagonistic towards my views in fact he's been very thoughtful and consistent and very understanding. That's what most people want. Respect and not told your view points are ignorant and stupid.

But anyway I want to make amends. Even though I dislike the last Jedi. I can't guarantee I will never stop moaning about it because I think it's awful. I really want to focus and enjoy the build up to IX.

 

Problem is they are alienating the hardcore, life long obsessive fans who (used to) spend tons of money on all things Star Wars so they can gain those percentage point increases among women who go to see the movie once, maybe twice, then move on with their lives.

That is simply not a good business model.

 

I thought TFA was rather meh. I was one of those who thought it was just a rehash. I don't know if I use the word dislike, but close.

 

I find both these opinions confounding because where is this happening? I don't think you're stupid. Most people who have issues with the film have reasons. I don't have to agree with them. However, there's this hobgoblin out there that chastising the trolls somehow makes you a troll. I don't get it. The Lucasfilm higher ups (not freelance writers or book authors no one knows) have chastised toxic elements. They've been very clear about that. Bravo to them.... because Star Wars has a toxic fan base problem. I didn't like the prequels. So what? For some reason people think they're entitled to harass content creators.

You aren't the toxic fan base so quit thinking you're being attacked when you're not.

I'm a life long, obsessed fan who spends money on Star Wars. I went to the last Celebration. I'm not alienated by a single movie. There's been some really bad Star Wars content created over the years and I'm still here.

 

Gimme a break. You're trying to get away with a technicality because the woman in question (Geek Girl Diva) is a "freelance writer."

I've done some freelance work in my career and each and every time I did, I knew that I was still representing the company for whom I freelanced and I 100% adhered to their corporate standards. The fact that Geek Girl Diva says the things she does speaks volumes as to the corporate culture in the media arm of LFL - and it is despicable.

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Yes there has been bad content, but never a movie this bad. A lousy comic or novel just isn't going to impact the entire franchise the way a lousy movie does.

That's cool you spend money on Star Wars. Given the latest marketing figures, it seems you're in the minority.

 

Because of her opinions on customers? I'm not sure I agree with her on that, but it's hardly despicable. Did she say something else?

 

Yes she has. She has spent a lot of time posting and retweeting the usual "people who hate TLJ are racist/sexist/bigots" idiocy. You should check out her twitter feed sometime to learn what the rest of us are talking about.

(While sometimes a retweet can be done to respond to something someone disagrees with, this is clearly not the case here in regards to the above.)

 

I've seen her once or twice on Collider Jedi Council. I noticed she tweets a ton about politics so I don't follow it. Not because I agree/disagree, I just don't use twitter to hear people talk about politics. I don't associate her with Lucasfilm. I didn't even know she did some freelance stuff unitl I looked into it.

 

They're failing in so many ways.

I have loads of nephews and nieces.. none of them care about Star Wars. I went to put The Force Awakens on and two of them just sat there frowning like: "I guess so." because they're sick of it. They're sick of Disney's over-marketing, sick of seeing that logo in every toy aisle. To them, it's just another franchise and they're puzzled as to why the public loves it so much. It's becoming extremely uncool to be into Star Wars, thanks to how BORING The Last Jedi was.

Can you believe that Rian made the cast watch a bunch of art films prior to filming? Does nobody remember that? What an epic fail. He actually thought it would be a Blade Runner level masterpiece..

 

We weren't talking about which one was more reliable. We were talking about whether or not a large faction of disgruntled female fans against TLJ existed. You tried to wave it off as largely irrelevant to the issue, and there's plenty of places from YouTube to r/SaltierThanCrait that showcases how many female fans actually fall into this category.

And I'm not even going into the whole "online polls" thing. I've noticed with TLJ Defenders that they cling to sites like IMDb as 100% reliable and unexploitable, while conveniently dismissing Rotten Tomatoes as "an illegitimate resource for public opinion." I wonder how that panned out for the early anticipation polls for Solo.

Actually, we're not.

We were never discussing why Luke works as a character for you, despite how often you redirect the conversation there. I was always talking about why Luke's portrayal and flaws didn't work for me, and presumably for the other dissenters on this board. You keep trying to paint all the points I'm making regarding Luke, his development, and history in past films as some kind of falsehood, without any stronger evidence besides: "Well, I liked it".

Which is fine, but does little to contribute to the conversation to this thread, as a counter or rebuttal.

 

One of movies Johnson recommended was some boring ass Russian movie I tried to watch on Hulu and gave up on before it was over.

 

She was starwars.com's top contributor when talking about Rebels. I think she would write a synopsis of every single episode after it aired, so that is an article a week when Rebels was airing, following by long breaks between seasons (and since Rebels ended). I have no idea what her contributions will be going forward.

If you don't associate one of starwars.com's top contributors with LucasFilm, then you just aren't paying terribly close attention.

I agree 100% although it's funny you mention how they are sick of seeing that logo in every toy aisle. I have noticed the Star Wars section in the Wal-Mart getting smaller and smaller and smaller. That logo may not be there much longer.

 

Hi, all. I know everyone here didn't care for the film and I don't want to start any trouble but there's an article I wanted to share.

http://observer.com/2018/07/film-crit-hulk-the-beautiful-ugly-and-possessive-hearts-of-star-wars/

It's by the Film Crit Hulk who has quite a good reputation among screenwriters and movie buffs. It won't change your all's minds but hopefully it'll shed some light on the situation. If you've got the spare time, I think it's worth the read to at least expand the conversation.

 

There's nothing in there that expands the conversation. It is the usual tripe of trying to associate people who didn't like Star Wars as racist/sexist/bigots. First he calls out those who are overtly racist/sexist/bigoted calling them troglodytes and then says "I’ve seen a fair amount of these same “I’m not a troglodyte” defenders toss off opinions that exemplify the exact kinds of subconscious racism and stealth sexism that those same troglodytes proclaim loudly. I know no one likes to believe they’re guilty of any kind of “ist” behavior, but sometimes there’s a larger reason that we get lumped in with folks who are spitting hate. "

Then he goes into the usual "the haters just don't understand films and filmmaking" silliness. I just don't see anything in that article I haven't already seen in this very thread several times.

 

Lost me somewhere around «I don’t give a blast about their opinions» and «they can die mad about it». (Referring to the proverbial white male)

This is just regurgitated arguments we’ve heard all along, just in an even more toxic style. I’d place a bet that this critic and Mr Johnson know each other too.

A side point: I see Rian Johnson also picked up on this, and posted it on his Twitter. Adding trumps account in, so that the «backlash» will hit someone else’s account that deserves it.

Jeeses. That is just so incredibly unprofessional and childish. Few good things to say about the current president myself, it is seldom wise to bring politics so blatantly into SW. Seems there were enough voters to get the man elected...he is just pouring more gasoline on a franchise and fanbase already on fire. (Especially bad for business when we know SW used to have a pretty even split between democrat and Republican fans)

LF/Disney sure don’t get what they are doing to their own base...

 

Yeah I figured that would be pretty off-putting. It definitely was for me since obviously I don't think that people who disliked the movie are bigoted. But a big chunk of what he writes about is why people who disliked the movie are being labeled bigoted... not necessarily why people who disliked the movie are bigoted. He writes about why he thinks TLJ is good in his eyes and then about why he thinks some people are so passionately against it. He's not name-calling anyone who doesn't deserve that name.

If you disagree with what he concludes, then I'd like to hear more about that (which expands the conversation).