THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Sorry, but that isnt the truth. Disney isnt working for the left with an agenda. That doesnt mean that the vast majority of people involved in making Star Wars, actors in Star Wars, creative types arent fans of Trump. Thats just the way the world is. Yet you see Disney still use conservative people in projects. You didnt see Disney say no to Roseanne. They just cancelled it when she went publicly racist. Toy Story 4 still has Tim Allen doing the voice over work for Buzz Lightyear.

I also think the real point of RJ and Christopher McQuarrie is being missed. High quality people are being driven away from Star Wars because of toxic fandom. This is why this is my last post in the HATED the movie thread. It sure looks like the posts are dominated by people who want RJ, KK punished rather then a discussion why you didnt like TLJ. So ciao enjoy the little echo chamber.

 

Yes, I've noticed that the same people who lump all Trump supporters together as racists, bigots, sexists, etc. also lump everyone who disliked TLJ into the same categories. I have family members, co-workers and friends who voted for Trump and none of them are any of those things. I had conversations with many people who supported Trump and those who supported Hillary who had very valid reasons for supporting who they did. Most of it had to do with (GASP!) policy ideas. Same with those who disliked TLJ, seems like everyone I speak to who didn't like the movie talks about disliking the overall story and poor characters. Nobody has ever said they don't like the movie because of the race or gender of the characters.

I think there's a difference between us normal people who come in here to talk about disliking this movie and paid professionals still publicly fanning the flames. There's always going to be people who tweet at RJ about not liking TLJ, there's nothing he can do about that. However, he can start to ignore them and stop responding. All he's doing is throwing more gas on the fire and I think if he'd stop responding then things would die down on his end. Yes, they'll always be people who want to harass him on social media, but he doesn't have to play along and fling insults back.

Oh no, I get the joke and my opinion about the whole thing being childish and unnecessary still stands. Moving on now...

 

Uh... what does the word Empire and Emperor mean? The OT was about bringing down a tyrannical machine. Hell, the prequels got even way more political then the OT ever did.

 

Based on the replies the answer appears to be yes.

It was a joke. I laughed. RJ mentions an account that people who are into screenwriting should follow and the trolls roll into the poor guys mentions. Then he jokes about it mentioning the President's account which is also full of trolls. It's like a troll jamboree.

Some of the Marvel directors are far more engaged in politics on Twitter than RJ, but whatever. When it comes to Star Wars everything is a problem.

 

Conservatives will interpret the evil empire to mean communist regimes, (reagan probably borrowed the «evil empire» from SW) while liberals will see a likeness to certain Bush policies and the rise of fascism. It’s basically a critique of totalitarian regimes, which tends to be supported from both sides of political spectrum. That does not alienate, it unifies.

Mixing specific active politicians into the mix, especially with the current climste, is just unwise. This goes for people actively involved with SW, and coupling it with the franchise directly.

It is sad you can’t see that, or that us likely to alienate some fans further, as well as indirectly confirming the alt-rights claims of a political agenda.

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Those trolls won him the election. The media giving him a massive coverage gave him the election. The very idea that the elite is too far removed from ordinary folks gave him the election. People being dismissed as racist or ignorant, as well as insignificant just made them harden their resolve.

Ultimately losing confidence in mainstream media reporting without a bias made people stop watching them and seek out more or less echo chambers. Where they at least would not be ridiculed for having a different opinion than what was thought to be acceotable...but sadly no longer challenged. They changed one biased view for a greater one.

It was a recipe for disaster. and I see a parallell to the current way LF/Disney through their employees and PR contacts handle the backlash. Basically feeding trollls, and being guilty of trolling themselves.

 

Nice work guys....

 

The argument can certainly be made that there is a lot of SJW nonsense going on with Disney and Disney properties such as Marvel (comics moreso than movies) and LFL over the past few years. This is not just people who work there sharing their opinions; it is influencing the product with agenda driven storytelling and it therefore becomes fair game for criticism.

Furthermore there is an awful lot of these people accusing those who didn't like TLJ (or didn't like specific TLJ characters) as being racist/sexist/bigoted, so politics will naturally enter such discussions.

 

There is no truth in these matters, it is how people interpret comments. LF/Disney produced quite enough comments that later became clickbait for columnists with an agenda. That ultimately hurt the franchise, and the fanbase. You protect your fans as a company, you do not confront them if they object to your new product.

What did you expect from posting here? That you would convince people who think TLJ was bad that it was actually a masterpiece? And that nobody would challenge your arguments?

 

Can we steer this thread back on topic. A tongue and cheek tweet isn't about the 2016 election.

No one at Lucasfilm has said that everyone who dislikes the film is racist/troll.

 

George Lucas used his political philosophy as allegory and had broad appeal. Building an entire movie or trilogy in the case of the PT about how democracy can transition into dictatorship.

The politics in the new Star Wars and what I've read about Solo is about screaming it as loud as possible in the audience's face and they're also all over the map and more narrow - TLJ was even more clunky than Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom which builds around one or two big ideas including animal (dinosaur) rights. This turns people off, including liberals such as myself who neither need nor want to be preached and proselytized to. I don't need to see Poe turned into a stereotype and Chewbacca embarrassed as characters to promote veganism and anti toxic masculinity or Rose and Finn to get across that the only way to get rich is war (it isn't). I don't need a Holdo type of character as a stand-in for Kathleen Kennedy. I don't even know or necessarily think that all these things represent Mr. Johnson's world view (his past movies don't reflect these things and I've seen them all) but rather what he thought or was told that the producers wanted, perhaps to leverage himself into future job opportunities with the company, thus becoming the ultimate politician in ways that the other directors and writers who couldn't appease Kathleen Kennedy and so got bounced off their projects.

 

Not even a laugh from you when Chewie was going to eat the Porg?! Man, tough crowd.

 

Really not ...

Especially when this is all he had for Chewie ...

 

It's not funny because it promotes veganism and Chewie's past wasn't big enough. Very tough crowd indeed. It's such a funny scene I'm puzzled by these complaints.

 

Chewie flew in with the Falcon to save the Resistance and looked pretty awesome doing it. That's as much as he had got in most other movies.
The only time Chewbacca had anything resembling a character arc was in Solo.

 

Remember the ending to TFA....

Whoops.....

 

I don't go to see a SW movie for vegan things. This is a Earth thing not a GFFA one.

 

How in the world does anyone think TLJ was promoting "vegan things." Hate to break it to ya, but the films are produced on Earth...

 

That was one the thing that baffled me. The scene with Luke, Rey and the saber isn't the same in both episodes, this is crazy when you are the eye of a movie.





Nobody told the director ?

 

That is not true at all. Less than 20% voted for Trump.

 

She was only force projecting