THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

What's so different? That shot is from a different angle. The TLJ shot was actually filmed before TFA was released. I didn't get the sense that it was supposed to be an identical shot.

 

I appreciate you taking the time to read them in spite of our likely disagreements about the film.

I'm actually not a fan of Obi-Wan's death, either. He was my favorite character in the OT, and my liking of his character only increased the more I saw of him. The difference, I feel, is that Luke's sacrifice had a lot more to live up to.

Obi-Wan was not the protagonist of a existing string of films prior to the one we were watching. He didn't have another trilogy, or 30 years' worth of a time-skip to make up for (he did chronologically, but solely constrained to the OT release of ANH, he didn't). But I feel the most important point to consider is that Obi-Wan hadn't spent the entire film up till that point being an uncooperative, dull, sulking old fart who had revealed a terrible, character-contrasting failure about himself to the audience. He wasn't undergoing some kind of redemption arc, or needed the final moment of sacrifice to essentially make up for an entire films' worth of wasted narrative opportunity, poor motivation, shallow conflict, and borderline character betrayal to make up for. Obi-Wan was just a somber, kindly, and chivalric old warrior who died so that the new young blood of the rebellion could get away. Outside of brief interaction with his apprentice Vader, there wasn't any emotional framing or baggage of context to his death.

Luke and his sacrifice are not in the same situation at all. The only thing truly silly about Obi-Wan's death, IMO, is the choreography of the duel itself...which, sorry, I still think is better than Luke doing Matrix-style breakdancing and not actually engaging in combat with Kylo whatsoever. That was literally the stupidest lightsaber duel I've ever witnessed, because it could barely even be considered a duel. Opponents are at least supposed to cross blades in a duel, even if they don't wound each other. For goodness' sake.

But that's just how I feel.

What, digging up a flaw from 30 years into Luke's youth and having him repeat it almost exactly as a veteran Jedi Master? I absolutely call that creative bankruptcy. That's not creative in the slightest---that's the director literally admitting that he couldn't come up with some new personal fallacy, emotional obstacle, or scenario of failure for Luke, so he just did the lazy and hasty thing and just had him repeat the exact same mistake that cost him his hand, and exposed him to the most traumatic and scarring revelation of his life. And not only is this incredibly lazy on Rian's part, but it has double-damage since it makes Luke look like a complete moron and someone who hasn't learned anything from his experiences in the OT....which is a very poor look for someone who's supposed to be a Jedi Master with dozens of students.

I don't care if people think it made sense for his character: it wasn't a new struggle for him, and it's not something he should've encountered again, 30 years into the future, for no other reason than Rian having no other clue how to make him fail.

That's fecal-quality writing of the highest order. I've literally seen fanfic authors try harder than that.

Pretty much this.

No one's asking them not to have opinions, but they're not acting professional. People leak and bash DC's content on a regular basis, and people have put Zack Snyder on full blast for many of his mistakes with Man of Steel and BvS. And yet, you don't see him responding pettily on Twitter to each individual comment, replying and debating talking points that they could easily ignore.

It doesn't matter who is right and who isn't in this whole discussion of "toxic fans." If these directors and content creators want to be taken seriously, they shouldn't be lowering themselves to indulge in semantic battles and political squabbling over Twitter, because at that point, they're not exercising any more maturity than the people they're engaging with.

 

I guess the point you’re making is that not all americans voted or were eligble, while I’m referring to an aporoximate percentage of the people who actually cast their vote.

To me that seems like semantics, and not adding anything to the discussion. Point still stands that it is unwise to link this politically, making it even more divisive. Last demigraphic check I saw if SW fans before this debacle had an even split between cons and libs. Do you think that is a wise choice to try to appeal more to one political side of the spectrum than the other?

 

So the position of Luke ( giving his back or face to Rey ) depends of the angle ??

And no this is a lie ... Ep VIII started shooting in february 2016.

http://www.fox5atlanta.com/entertainment/star-wars-episode-viii-starts-filming

Are you trolling me ? You really want me to explain why it is supposed to be identical ?? Is this supposed to be parallel universe ?

 

A lie? C'mon man. They had to go to the island and shoot a couple of months before TFA was released. This was a few months the officeof shoot started.

I never thought it was identical. It's from a different angle. I don't understand the issue.

 

For a last time,

In ep VII, when Rey is meeting Luke he's looking at the sea and when Rey arrives he turned back.

In Ep VIII, When Rey is meeting Luke, he's looking at Rey the whole scene.

 

That scene is ridiculous, the bloody door to the base is getting blown off and she's telling Finn how to save people. Duh then get busy doing that and stop with the kissing. Poor Kelly, she deserved so much more than that.

Appalling writing.

 

I thought that was just how it was edited. The screenshots you posted Rey is different spots. She's closer in the TLJ.

 

I dont know what to answer. This is so ridiculous. If this make Star Wars fans more divisive, so what.

 

Filming for Last Jedi began at Skellig Michael in Ireland on 14th September 2015

The Force Awakens premiered 14th December 2015

The original footage seen at the end of TFA was filmed July 2014.

For TLJ they went back and re-shot some of that opening scene. That's why it's not quite the same.

 

No no, it works. EP8 starts seconds after EP7. Rey put her hand down and goes to Luke.

Rian Johnson knows what he doing. He remade Breaking Bad opening scene too.

 

Good lord this is so amateurish ...

I don't even have words in my maternal language.

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What ??

I don't like Breaking Bad, I don't like bad people stories nor losers one.

 

Rey and Finn have zero agency.

 

If you don’t see a problem with shrinking the current fan base by a large amount. and excluding millions of potential new customers from a business perpective...then I don’t know what to say either.

If you don’t see a problem with a fanbase that used to be diverse, from all walks of life, now being reduced to political argumentation that have little place in SW...being the cause of fragmentation remiscient of the world we live in...you are blind.

 

This is accelerating the decline of Star Wars outside of the United States even faster than inside the United States because non-Americans don't give a **** about manspreading on a subway or bus the way that the leftwing of San Francisco and New York and Californians obsess over and think would make a 'hot topic for Star Wars'. It's not just the stupid idiot rightwingers that are losing their minds. Politics is really a sphere or cylinder anyway, you go right or left far enough you end up at the same location.

 

Perhaps I am blinded, because I dont get offended by his jokes or anyone else jokes. Ricky Gervais is right, people get offended by everything this days.

 

The only character that got any sort of development was Kylo. But even then there are no answer to why he's the way is. I get infuriated with Kylo because Rian trampled on every other character to develop some apathy which personally I don't think he deserves. I know for some he can do any wrong. He's got two main fanbases those who want to bed him and those who demand a white Skywalker protagonist. To me he's just a poor wannabe Loki and I don't like Loki. Just another poor white emo kid who gets away literally with murder.

 

Either the fan base is going to shrink for good, or it will shrink and then turn around and enlarge again. It's out of our hands. And since I'm not financially benefiting from the movies' box office, I'm not going worry myself over it.

If "THE LAST JEDI" turns out to be the true reason for the final downfall of the franchise, then so be it. Audiences still have other SW movies to enjoy over and over again, thanks to DVDS, cable television, and streaming.

If it's true that filming for "TLJ" began three months before the release of "TFA" . . . Good Lord! What a stupid thing to do!

 

I'm not sure why this is stupid. There's limited access to Skellig Michael so that's why they shot in September. It was only a couple of days. Probably just the opening sequence and location shots.

Before TFA the fanbase was mostly male. 65% of the opening night crowd for TFA was male. It was more balanced at the opening night of TLJ so there's some progress being made on this front. This is obviously why some of the toxic bunch is upset. They feel like Star Wars is being taken from them.

 

Sure, but in absolute numbers: did more or less girls watch TLJ then TFA?

It would be nice to have more female star wars fans...but it seems to be there’s a twindling going on for both sex in numbers, even though the ratio between them change.