THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

HOLY GOOD GOD TANTAN S(#*!! Rey is Jedi, Finn is a bad a$$ who walked away from the FO. Luke died. Keylo killed his dad and his mom can fly in outer space. Dang! Hate the movie and walk away or hate the movie and move on!!! Its Star Wars not really life. Its about space Nazis fighting Space Ninjas for god sake. Everybody is working themselves to a heart attack because they did not get their way. If this can ruin your life to the point where you cant even enjoy this anymore then walk away. Or just get over it! It is not racist or sexist, you are over thinking it. When you came to this site was with the goal of bashing everything that some one else likes about? Or was it because you love SW and found a group of people who also love SW. It is time to move on stop looking at what is not there. Ain't no deeper meaning.

 

Length does not mean quality. That scene was short and well acted. I do not need anymore.

I also think there is a bit of confusion here about who is or needs to be or not to be disappointed about Rey's parent situation. Rey is obviously disappointed about the fact that her parents did not love her enough, left her and will never come back for her. She's more than disappointed. She is heart-broken. Some fans (sorry, we are all experts here) even though they empathise with Rey's pain and loss (or at least some of us do) deem this eventuality more interesting for the story.

How silly of her! Doesn't she know by now that, if one is not related to Vader or loses an arm or a leg in a lightsaber fight, one has no convincing reason to shed a tear?

 

Yeah, that was my whole point. Why do people who come in here to argue frequently go off on weird tangents or jump to strange conclusions? I never said anything about her needing to be related to Vader or lose a limb. Point missed. Yeah, okay, if you were emotionally moved by the moment and felt her pain and think it's giving her a great character arc, then good for you. I do not share that point of view at all.

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Speaking of weird tangents....

 

I just could not take your comments about Rey crying seriously. I could not (still can't) see any point being made. my bad.

Thanks.

 

I've said a million times, if someone likes the movie and enjoys the character arcs, then that's fine. I don't agree but I don't hold it against you. I wish I enjoyed TLJ as much as some others did. We'll never agree on this, so I'm just going to agree to disagree. Have a good evening. Or day, depending on where you are!

 

I am really good at weird!! I do think I got my first rude rating. So thank you who ever you are you will always be my first. MMMMMM
Yes you know you like it. My first and you cant take it back.

 

I get what you're saying. You feel it lacks emotional realism. Or rather it lacks enduring emotional realism. But Star Wars in general has always been lacking in emotional realism. It's just not that kind of story telling. In the very first movie, Luke returns home to find his 'parents' have been slaughtered. He looks away wistfully and then it's largely forgotten about. It's a short scene and then we're onto the next thing. He barely squeezes out a few tears and then he joins up with his 'new' parent figure. It's ultimately nothing more than a plot point that frees him to leave with Kenobi and pursue his path.

We see him show slightly more sorrow for the death of Kenobi, a desert hobo he's only really just met, than we see him show for his own family. But only slightly, and it's just a short scene before we're onto the next thing; the Tie-fighters arrive and he joyously and triumphantly (and cockily!) shoots them down. He barely squeezes out a few tears and then he joins up with his 'new' family in the rebellion.

It seems to me that Rey is often held up to a standard that her predecessors are not held to.

 

@Buckeye94 for what it's worth, Rey's "trauma" didn't land for me either. One aspect of TLJ that I have praised was Rose's trauma in losing her sister which is honestly more believable and organic to me. Rey's trauma feels forced, because of how Rian drives the story (and her "development") through Kylo. It feels inauthentic in set up, execution, and feel. Ridley is given almost no chance to breathe any real life into the moment, because the moment itself feels artificial. No one could breathe life into it.

 

Well, at least you embrace your weirdness! Congrats on your first rude rating.

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Hey, we are comparing ESB Luke and TLJ Rey. Not ANH Luke. Remember!! Though I appreciate the effort you put into this, there's nothing that will convince me that Luke's development and character arc is the same as Rey's. His development was heads above anything we've seen with Rey thus far.

Bottom line-I'm right.

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Yes, exactly! I also agree on Rose. I felt more sympathy for her over the loss of her sister than anything with Rey's "trauma." Rey's trauma absolutely feels forced and inauthentic, that's one of the reasons it fell flat for me.

 

Unless everything RJ did was to make us think they were clueless about SW to set up ahah moments in IX, then TLJ is horrible.

Rey is Luke’s daughter.
Snoke is DP, still alive, uses force to possess corpses aka Snoke in this case. DP became a Dark Side Force Lich using Sith and Nightsister knowledge.
Luke had Force Visions of Kylo killing Han AND Rey that led him to momentarily lose his wise Master judgement and tried to kill his nephew. This also why he abandon Rey in effort to thwart the future he saw of Kylo killing her. “This is not going to go the way you think”.
Only Kylo and Rey brining the Dark Side and Light together can destroy DP.
At the end Kylo and Rey will remain light and dark but will have had to join “become balance” to defeat DP. It will end with Rey and Kylo going their seperate ways but regretfully.

 

Everything you described is horrible.

 

What would you do?

 

Sorry for the rude. Fat thumbs x

 

If this was for me its all good. Tickle fight

 

Of course not, it's just my opinion based on my experiences. (And I do appreciate it's an exaggerated statement - but it is how I feel )

But I do think the retrospective ratings are an interesting tidbit of information.

 

I actually like this bit quite a lot. It makes sense and offers really great motives for Luke's actions.

Rey's and Rose's are two very different traumas. Rose is dealing with a loss, whereas Rey is dealing with desillusion and rejection. The projection of both women's feelings is bound to be different. Kylo is a "means" to play out the rejection Rey feels on screen, pokes at Rey about it frequently. It happens during the last two of their trans galactic conversations: "your parents treat you like garbage, they are junk traders, drunks who sold you, you're nothing". This is something Kylo did even before, in the interrogation scene in TFA: "you are so alone, afraid to leave, see in Solo the dad you never had". Rey's trauma has been a part of both films, her penchant to stay in Jakku, her attachments to father figures, her anger towards Kylo about parents: "You had parents who gave a damn about you!" At this stage in the story I personally have been given enough material to know about and empathise with Rey's trauma.

 

Except for Kylo asking, "What girl?" Rey has no real part in this story. Everything has been artificially manufactured to create the idea she is, but the story doesn't naturally flow through her. Rian had to create some force connection nonsense in order to continue the fabrication that Rey is an important part of the movie. She has no history with the FO, and she has nothing with the Resistance. Notice Rian at the end of TLJ manufacturing another way for Rey to be connected to what's going on, by having Poe introduce himself to her. The story naturally flows through Finn, because he has a connection to the key players. Rey's story expanded through Finn, but she doesn't have enough to carry the rest of the story. Not when the biggest question people can come up with is who are her parents.

 

The lightsaber called to her. That made her a part of the story.
She bested kylo at mindreading. That also made her part of the story.
She’s the force character and her connection to Kylo makes the film different from the OT and therefore interesting. I personally find this dynamic more engaging than that of Luke and Vader’s.
One could call what RJ did “fabricating” a story and “artificially manufacturing” it... but isn’t that what writing is?

 

But she is not The story. Except for lifting some rocks her overall impact on the Resistance is nothing compared to Finn's. Her actions don't move the story. She is a part of the overall story. We haven't been given enough to make this trilogy her story. Everything that has moved the film were the two guys on the poster besides Rey. The Resistance still has a chance, because of the choices Finn made. The FO is now different, because of the choices Kylo made. Rey at this point has been tagging along to Finn and Kylo's stories, but she doesn't have one of her own.