THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Not really something I hate...
But in Star Wars, hackers are called "Slicers" not "Code Breakers". One more minor gripe to add to the giant pile.

 

I know what I certainly don't find amusing: The ironic misuse of irony...

 

You misunderstand the concept of irony. Let me explain;

Its ironic because the Oscars is an annual awards event and ceremony where a bunch of actors, actresses and other committee members vote together in a private popularity contest that is not open to the public to choose the best from a list of nominees.

The Last Jedi recieved no nominees for acting. Or storywriting. Or "Best Film". Technical nominees and awards are fine and okay, but nobody really puts the tv on to watch technical awards. They aren't glamourous catagories and not the main reasons for watching the Oscars ceremony by the majority of tv viewers. To most people, the Oscars are all about glamouress actors and actresses and what the best film is.

And the catagories that The Last Jedi have been nominated in have nothing to do with acting or storywriting, which are two of the main reasons why The Last Jedi has recieved a lot of flak.

That's why its ironic.

 

Quite fitting, the fans who disliked The Last Jedi have mostly all agreed on the fact that the film is beautiful from a technical standpoint.

I think so too. But personally, I need more than just beautiful screenshots.

 

You do know that's been par for the course for Star Wars films for the past 40 years, right? The only SW film to ever receive nominations in categories related to acting, story and/or best overall picture was the original Star Wars. All other 8 films have only been nominated in technical categories, so I don't really see the point of just singling out TLJ.

 

Yeah, off topic, but @General_Tarkin said you misused irony. He's correct.

As far as "what do we have to look forward to..."

- Rey rebuilding the Jedi Order
- How is Luke used going forward?
- How will Leia be resolved?
- How will the First Order do under the leadership of Kylo Ren
- How will the new rebellion do under Poe
- How will this story end
- What will Finn's role in the rebellion be going forward

 

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In your opinion is it plausible (even with a 5 year time jump) that Rey could be actively building the next Jedi Order? I mean conceptually should could still be learning how to use the Force (even with the Jedi text)

Whether her death happens right at the onset of EPIX or not, I would think her memorial would have to be at the beginning of the movie, and resolved quickly. I kind of wish that she had done Holdo's Light Speed attack instead

 

Well, If we are going to compare TLJs Academy Award nominations to the other films in the franchise as a bases for its quality, then other than A New Hope, no Star Wars has be nominated for Best Picture, Screenplay, director or supporting actor. Its been pretty much technical and composing nominations. Don't really think that tells a lot unless we are going to use it to complain about every Star Wars movie except one.

 

Have you folks heard Rian's lame excuse for Luke not traveling to Crait to battle Kyo Ren? He says he wanted to do that, but Luke's X-Wing was under water.

Has Rian lost his marbles? Did he ever have them?

Rian likes to conveniently forget that he's the writer of this story when it suits his answers. If he wants Luke to go to Crait, all he has to do is think of a reasonable way for him to get there. Obviously it would have been poetic if Luke had raised his ship from the water, like we saw Yoda do in ESB -- or just don't have Luke's X-Wing under water! Or Luke could have contacted someone like Lando to come get him -- Rian's said a few times he couldn't figure out how to work Lando in, well this is how. Or maybe Luke contacts Rey and Chewie and they show up on Crait with Luke: that would be one heck of a surprise and would give Luke a chance to actually interact with Rey in a positive way (which we never get).

Every time Rian tries to explain his thinking on story decisions, all he does is reveal how arbitrary they were.

Another example: Rey was a nobody because that's what would challenge her, and the audience, the most. Wait, who is this story about, Rey or the audience? Rian seems to confuse the two on a regular basis. Maybe not having important family subverts audience expectations, but as far as we know, Rey has always known deep down what her family background is. Are we supposed to believe she's been in denial about the identity of her family while she's waited for them on Jakku her entire life? This makes Rey an almost deluded character, and yet she never really comes off like this in the movies.

Would there be other challenging reveals for Rey? Of course. If she were Luke's daughter, then she would be challenged with the revelation that Kylo is her cousin and that her father Luke has become a coward who refuses to help his family and friends. Those challenges seem much greater for Rey than "learning" something she already knows.

 

All I will say about this is that the more I hear from Rian Johnson from interviews and social media activity, the lower my opinion goes. I will never spend a penny on any Star Wars film he's involved in.

 

Have you a source for that? I'd be interested to see his full explanation.

 

I can understand if people want to draw a comparison between Luke's different character in TLJ to that of Anakin's in the prequels. But, it's actually a quite unjust comparison. Let me explain why.

Before the prequels, many fans envisioned a young Anakin Skywalker to be more like the cunning Darth Vader in the original trilogy. What they got was instead a more realistic portrayal of a whiny, annoying teen who felt he was being held back by his masters, while battling with feelings he wasn't allowed to have according to the very same masters. It's important to note that Anakin was a young man who was still changing, and by the time he had become Darth Vader he was still quite young - And then once he gave in to all his hate he lost everything; his Jedi Order, his friendship with his master, his former body, his wife, his child (so he thought), basically he lost everything that made him good. And THAT, my friends, that is something that would really change someone. So having lost everything, he gradually becomes more and more like a machine, a weapon used by the Emperor, which is very much in line with how he was portrayed in ANH. It makes LOTS of sense. BUT once Vader realizes that he has a son, he starts to regain his humanity, and this is why Vader acts so different in ROTJ compared to ANH. Because in ROTJ, he starts to become more like the Vader we saw in ROTS. And finally, at the end of ROTJ, he becomes Anakin Skywalker again - having reclaimed his former self, his goodness, his human form, his son, and he dies peacefully.... It's a beautiful and tragic story.

When it comes to Luke in TLJ however.... Well, there is absolutely no reason for Luke to act like such a complete Rebelscum. He was one of the most hopeful and positive characters in the original trilogy, whom always saw goodness in everyone. And compared to Anakin, did Luke really lose everything? Yes, he lost all of his students, but he still had his best friend Han and sister Leia; why not go to them? And the Republic was still around (this was before the First Order blew it up), so it's not like he had just left the galaxy in the hands of a new Empire. Additionally, Luke had passed well past his 30's by the time of the destruction of his Jedi Order, and at this stage in life you don't really change your personality. And Luke wasn't put in a suit, he was a very free and capable man.

George Lucas envisioned Luke to be a hermit on an island in his draft of Episode VII. That's true. But I think what Lucas had in mind for Luke would be more about the history of the Jedi and not Luke himself, and his initial refusal to train Rey would also partly be a test because that would rhyme with the previous two trilogies. Luke refusing to train Rey would be partly because of Luke realizing that the Jedi allowed Sidious to take control of the galaxy. And Lucas liked to connect people, so he would have never made Rey a nobody.

 

Pretty sure something turning out the way you expected is the exact opposite of 'irony'.

 

The continuing adventures of TLJ's "Luke" (aka Jake):

 

Hmmmm.....I really didn't see any challengeto Rey. She was great in everything. Piloting, fighting, using the Force. I don't understand what challenges are you talking about. I saw a strong girl who achieved everything she wanted to. I'm convinced that she didn't expect to be a famous child. She is a nobody to us, not to her. She knows where she belonges and what she needs to do.

 

would you say Irony is like 10'000 spoons when all you need is a Knife?

 

Ironically, that is still not what irony is.

Wikipedia has an okay definition for it: "Irony in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event in which what appears, on the surface, to be the case, differs radically from what is actually the case."

Since what happened with the Oscars has absolutely nothing to do with the above (as Star Wars movies have always been nominated in the categories in question only with the exception of ANH), it's more than clear it's the direct opposite of irony. Your post however...

This is sadly a common misconception.

I suggest you to listen to this pretty well-thought-out Geroge Carlin lecture regarding the matter:

 

'rain on your wedding day' perhaps?