I'm so disappointed.. by the fans

You could be totally right. Whatever people want to say about Lucas and the PT, the one thing he did was never get caught up in plot points that didn't have any bearing on the mythology of the overall story he was trying to tell. You look at AOTC (the middle movie) compared to TLJ (the middle movie) and in AOTC you have 2 stories going on: Anakin/Padme falling in Love and Kenobi on a detective mission that essentially leads to the building of the Empire, and they all end up on Geonosis and the Clone Wars start. Everything in that movie, whether fans like it or not, is relevant to the overall story he was trying to tell. He didn't have Jar Jar and Bail Organa go off on some mission like Finn/Rose that has no real bearing on the Saga that just bloats the movie.

That's my point is there is a different type of storytelling that RJ did with this and he forgot about the big picture just to tell the irrelevant Finn/Rose story. This movie should have had less characters, and less overall stories, and should have focused more on Rey/Luke/Snoke/Kylo and then you have a side story of Poe/Finn/Leia/Hux just like the attack on Starkiller Base in TFA.

 

Yes absolutely, I will be excited to see it, but here is a key point for me, right I should be sitting here totally stoked to see it, but now the way TLJ was I am thinking oh that's neat in two years time there will be another Star Wars film. I remember a groan in the cinema with TFA ended, we all wanted more, Empire ends with so much uncertainty, even AOTC setup the continuation of the story - TLJ could end now and I could sit here thinking well the rebellion can go live somewhere in a colony - there is zero tension, heck nothing unresolved. Who says Rey and Ben Solo need to face one another? Things just have no weight right now. And Rian gets a trilogy? Did KK just troll us and made us all excited to see TLJ, it all seems about right now, and not the larger saga as a whole.

 

The entire plot of The Force Awakens is finding a SKYWALKER.

The entire main plot of The Last Jedi (who by the way... is a SKYWALKER) is trying to get that SKYWALKER back into the fight, which he ultimately does when he confronts... ANOTHER SKYWALKER! A SKYWALKER saves the day so that the resistance led by YET ANOTHER SKYWALKER can escape!

 

Who wants a rehash?

I have no problem with new ideas and doing something different but it seems like with everything in this movie to to pull the football back from Charley Brown.

Nothing makes any sense in the context the of previous 7 movies.

 

I liked TFA so I'm not complaining about that. I'm just saying Rey/Luke were overshadowed in this movie and essentially secondary players to Poe vs Hux and Finn/Rose subplot, where it should have been the other way around. Rey is just some side character in the final battle.

 

Yes sure, but I'm not going out of my for opening night.

 

It is okay to like a film or dislike a film, just don’t be a jerk about it to others

 

I'm sure we'll just have different interpretations of this plot. I personally didn't have problem with Holdo not telling Poe about the plan. He was just demoted and she only really knew him as a hotheaded hero.

 

As it stands, i'm not excited or that interested. We'll see over the next two years. I'd like things to get back to being about telling a good story instead of gimmicks like "mystery boxes" and ignoring plot lines while calling it "unpredictable/innovative". Like, what was the point of rey's cave scene?

 

Of course.

 

But everything Poe and Finn do is absolutely useless without Skywalker there to save the day. They might have been overshadowed in terms of screen time (though I'm not entirely sure about that) but Luke and Rey save the day.

The entire build up is based around Luke being the resistance's last/only hope, and he ultimately ends up being just that. So you again could argue that just like TFA, the entire plot is about Luke.

 

But TFA focuses on Rey for 2 hours and every other character is a secondary character in this. She is THE Trilogy, and her screentime is utterly baffling in this movie. The first hour is all about pestering Luke, she gets a big scene with Snoke and Ren, and thats it for the rest of the movie. What happened, and why did RJ sacrifice good character on Rey for a Finn/Rose subplot?

 

It seems that nobody knew her plan. I thought it was pretty unreasonable and it ended up causing so much loss of life. Like, just one sentence. Its like holdo knows who poe is and what he is to leia. Just tell him, boom. No pointless canto bight plot. They get to crait and hide out. No, they did this thing with her to make people suspect her motives. I wasn't feeling it.

 

And that's one of the parts I found to be incredulous. I don't buy that Holdo and Dameron do not know each other. Dameron is Leia's pet; Holdo.. something more. Both have been close to Leia for some time.
These two would have a history with each other.. perhaps a jealous one.

 

Except the codebreaker.

Obviously the FO does not have windows on there ships

 

So to everyone who is still going to see Episode 9, are you happy JJ is back in charge?

 

Mmm.. I'd say yes.

 

Were you a fan of TFA?

 

My only dissapointment is the lack of polite discussion and the breakdown that leads to multiple threads. Camp "I love it" vs camp "I hate it". Funny that the theme of the movie was "balance" and to leave behind previous failures, yet we behave exactly the other way. It would seem we cannot escape this modern western binary logic of always having two sides and very little civil debate.

By the way, I liked the film. I'll say more after a second viewing and when the waters are calmer around here.

 

Those are questions that can really only be answered with, "Well that's the way it is..." but I don't think Rey was sacrificed. Just because she doesn't appear much in the last half hour of the film, doesn't mean she's wasted.

TFA is a completely different film structurally. Every story blends pretty seamlessly into one another. Rey's story is the same as Finn's story pretty much up until the end. Poe is a non-factor because he was meant to die, and they weren't going to re-write the entire script to accommodate just him so his role is significantly smaller.

In TLJ you have to tell Rey's story, Finn's story and Poe's story. Three separate stories but they all revolve around the same thing. Of course you COULD make the argument that you could just combine Finn and Poe's story to make things easier, but it's not as if the stories are disjointed, they all center around saving the resistance. Finn has to stop the First Order from tracking them through lightspeed, Poe has to keep what's left of the resistance alive while Finn and Rose try to figure out a way to do that and Rey needs to bring Luke back to the resistance for them to have any hope in defeating The First Order.

Rey essentially, even if not in the way she hoped, is the only one who accomplishes her goal. Finn gets caught, Poe is too hot headed, makes enemies with Holdo and as a result, they lose hundreds of men/women. If Rey never goes to Ahch-To, Luke doesn't even have an idea of what's going on. Rey makes Luke connect with the Force again and brings him back into the thick of things... and again, even with Luke, his attempt to save the resistance is futile if Rey can't move those rocks.

And as Luke says in the final battle, when he's gone, he won't be the last Jedi. Everything is on Rey's shoulders now.