SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Rey is not a child. She's a woman.
In this situation, "never coming back" is an ambiguous phrase meant to give Rey the impression that her purpose is in the future, not the past.
She uses the term never because they have no intention of going back for her. She was put there for a reason.
To be hidden from Snoke or Kylo or Luke.....to never be found.

 

To be fair, we don't know if this true

 

That would work too. But it doesn't disqualify what she is telling Rey - they are never coming back to Jakku and then encourging her to go find Luke. Although your line has Maz.....lying to her more. She is suggesting Luke knows something or has clues and if Luke is her father that isnt' really the case - I'd argue that more misleading then what she did say.

By that point Leia didn't - but Leia also put the guys most likely to ignore the mission and save Rey on the mission to shut down the shield and hugged Rey over Chewie when they got back - Han simply told her after that first scene were Leia doesn't appear to care but before he left.

Here's a tip - when you're the one arguing that something was said that wasn't actually said and that words mean things they don't really mean, don't tell other people they don't get the language. Never doesn't imply death - maybe you need work on your grasp of the language. Ive been to Mexico once, I'm never going to go back, it doesn't imply that Mexico was destroyed or that I'm dead. I used to see my first grade teacher every day, I'm never going to see her again, doesn't imply she is dead. YOU think it means they are dead because you are working under comfirmation basis.

I've never seen Han take a poop - does that mean he never has? We didn't see Yoda instruct Luke on how to use a lightsaber, does that mean he never did?

Never = death isn't logic. Its confirmation Basis.

"When you're talking to a child who awaits their deceased parents this is exactly the type of thing you'd say - "never coming back", is definitive. And if they are alive, as you're suggesting Maz actually thinks, then why would she use the term "never"? It's either terrible dialogue or confirmation that Maz doesn't suspect Rey to be a Skywalker." - Again, maybe you need to work on your grasp of the language.

Luke told her? She knows what Luke is planning and it doesn't involve going back? Or maybe you reading WAY to much into the "never coming back" and taking it too literal when ALL Maz is doing is keeping Rey from going back to Jakku, accept the lightsaber and go find Luke (her father) instead.

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Never doesn't = dead. And if Maz was telling Rey her parents were dead (you asked how Maz would know Luke wasn't going back to Jakku - whats more likely, that Maz knows something about Luke, or Maz knows this random girls random parents are dead?) why wouldn't she just say "your parents are dead"?

 

I always thought Maz telling Rey who she is waiting for is never coming back, but Luke could, to mean Rey was chosen by Anakin's saber to bring Luke back.

 

I deleted everything else I said in response - this all comes down you assuming meanings that words don't actually have (which makes your insult about me not knowing the language all that more absurd) and looking for confirmation basis.

"I don't think Maz knows anything" - stop right here. This is your argument and nothing else cause everything else you're saying meaningless or wrong or unfounded. You don't THINK Maz knows. You don't THINK she told Han. You don't THINK Han told Leia. You dont' THINK Maz knows what Luke is up too etc... Cool - completely valid argument. No one, at this point, can prove otherwise and all anyone can say is "I disagree" and why and their idea is right/better because none of us know.

Its when you start claiming "If Maz knew this then she wouldn't tell Rey her family is never coming back and she would surely tell Han" or " It's either terrible dialogue or confirmation that Maz doesn't suspect Rey to be a Skywalker." - based on what you THINK and your misunderstanding of English (specifically the word never) that you get into trouble.

 

Yes. Either I know they aren't going back to Jakku OR, more likely, I suspect they aren't and I want this girl to go find her father, but I don't think its my place to tell her who her father is. So I take away her reason to go back to Jakku and point her toward her father.

Nothing points to Maz not telling Han. They could shoot that flash back, put it in TLJ and everything still makes sense. I haven't made the definitive claim Maz told her - I've asked you provide that evidence that she didn't, and you have yet to do so.

What you're suggesting - that Maz is basically guessing what Rey needs hear is the actual cruel course of events - if Maz doesn't know who Rey's parents she could be preventing Rey from returning him to meet her family who are on their way back! The only way Maz's words aren't cruel is if she knows (or at least has a very good idea) who Rey's family and how to get Rey to them. The evidence doesn't point to your conclusion, its what you THINK.

 

Is Han Solo going to Jakku?
Is Luke going to Jakku?

No. No one is going to Jakku for her regardless of who her family is. That's obvious by the fact that SHE WAS ABANDONED ON JAKKU

 

Yet you think Maz not knowing Rey's parents, who they are, where they are, what their plans are etc... and telling Rey not to go back isn't cruel and ignorant?

 

but rey doesn't know her family is dead. She may SUSPECT it but she doesn't know it. She can't know it. For all Rey and Maz know Rey's family is on their way back to Jakku at that moment. And Rey never tells Maz this, Maz may be reading it on her face or whatever, but what if Maz is wrong and her take on what Rey's feelings are are wrong?

Now Maz as told Rey not to go back based on a hunch that Rey has, which Maz may or may not have read correctly. And you think this isn't cruel?

But Maz does do more - she directs Rey to her father.

MAZ
That lightsaber was Luke's. And his
father's before him and now, it calls
to you!
Rey stands, fast. Still overwhelmed, emotional, speechless.

REY
I have to get back to Jakku.

MAZ
Han told me.
(reaches out, hold

REY'S HAND)
Dear child. I see your eyes. You
already know the truth. Whomever
you're waiting for on Jakku, they're
never coming back. But... there's
someone who still could.

REY
Luke.

MAZ
The belonging you seek is not behind
you. It is ahead. I am no Jedi,
but I know the Force. It moves
through and surrounds every living
thing. Close your eyes. Feel it.

(MORE)


(CONTINUED)
CONTINUED:
MAZ (CONT'D)
The light. It's always been there.
It will guide you. The saber. Take
it.
Rey suddenly stands.


She tells Rey that Lukes lightsaber is meant for her, encourages her to take it, possibly implying that Rey is Lukes father. Maz guides Rey to the conclusion that Luke has a connect to Rey, and then tells Rey that the belonging she wants is in that connection. She isn't telling Rey that Luke is her father, but she is telling not to go back to Jakku and to seek out Luke - this isn't cruel.

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She knows what Lukes mission is and what is going to do.....

By "essentially" you mean not at all.

No, it makes no sense formaz to suggest the people aren't coming back unless she KNOWS they aren't Otherwise should could be keeping this family apart forever. She tells Rey they aren't coming back so Rey doesn't waste her life on Jakku, and encourages her to go find her father. Your argument is beacuse Maz doesn't tell Rey everything the second she meets her that its obvious she doesn't know anything?

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Are han and Luke going back to Jakku?

 

Because Luke is missing. Has been for a very long time. He went searching for the Jedi Temple.
It aint on Jakku.

Maz is very much in line with the force. Rey needs to go forward not backward.

 

yes it kind of does. Your position is Rey knows her family isn't ocming back and Maz "reads that on her" and tells her - well 1) How can Rey know that 2) How can Maz know that Rey knows that and 3) How can Maz know she is getting it right? The answer to all 3 is - they can't. So Maz convincing Rey not to go back based on all these assumptions is where your cruelity would be.

"And she confirms it to Rey" - But Rey dosen't KNOW and Maz doesn't KNOW - so she is confirming potentially false info. How is this not cruel?

you are completely backwards. If Maz knows that Luke is Rey's daughter, it explains why she would tell her not to back to Jakku, and push her into going to meet Luke. If Maz doesn't know these things, then what Maz is doing is cruel because she is potentially seperating Rey from her real family. And again PROVE that Maz didn't tell Han. Actually evidence. And if you can't find any, you can not claim she didn't tell Han.

A) Doesn't mean he isn't her father
B) yes, it will be very easy fo Rey, with no ship and no money, to get back to another Planet.......
C) EVIDENCE NEEDED - oh right you have none.

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Evidence needed for what Maz knows and the limits of it.

Prove to us Maz didn't tell Han.

No I'm not. I'm saying that is a way the story can go that doesn't contridict anything we've seen in TFA. It doesn't make what Maz did cruel (you actually have that one backwards) and all the characters actions and motivations remain and make sense.

 

But she might, and you have presented NO evidence that she doesn'tknow. You can say you THINK she doesn't know - but thats it. You have nothing beyond your opinion.

Maz doesn't know what Rey feels. She can try to read on her face, voice and body language. But Rey also don't KNOW whats up with her parents. And telling someone not to wait for someone you don't know is or is not coming back for them is cruel. You are ASSUMING that Maz KNOWS (somehow) that Rey's parents aren't coming back, but its an assumption. Truth is, if Maz doesn't know who Rey's parents are, she has no idea if they are returning. Thats why its cruel.

Yes - they can write the story that way it fits with what we saw in TFA.

Prove Han and Leia didn't talk. Leia sends the 3 people whoknow Rey and willt ry to save her to Starkiller base.......do you think Leia is an idiot? Do you expect Han to fall to his knees crying? He does confirm to Finn they'll save her. I don't think Rey is Han's daughter, and I do find it reasonable they'd be much more concenred with Ben. - Its not evidence of Maz telling Han nothing because it doesn't prove a thing. You had it right - the evidence doesn't exist, all that is here is your assumption and opinion. You have zero evidence, stop acting like you do.

No it doesn't reveal Maz's thoughts.

Finn wanted to go anywhere the ship was going. Rey wants to go somewhere specific - (its amazing I have to point these things out.......)

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LOL - ok. Someone is going to telly ou anything said nothing. I feel shocked.

 

What planet does Finn want to go too? How is Finn going to pay for his passage? Rey wants to go somewhere specific, working isn't valuable when the ship is going out of its way. If Rey just takes a ship to anywhere, she is no closer to getting to Jakku then when she started. She could make 1,000 trips and not get to Jakku. The fact that you don't undrestand the difference in Finn going to the outer rim and Rey getting back to Jakku is, along with you not knowing what the word never means......... actually a explains a lot about your "logic".

You've yet to provide a single shred of evidence or compelling point/argument and I'm tired of asking. Have a nice day.