Luke's screen time theory

Luke being around the whole time and not really knowing would be a very cool reveal. Kind like Old Ben was.

 

Carrie Fisher mentioned during her Celebration panel that she was also part of the production for six months, so I don't think the amount of time spent equals to how much they were on set. I think they kept these actors around in case they were needed for additional shooting, hence why Hamill's beard had to stay for the duration of filming. I think that if Mark had filmed scenes beyond the shooting on Skellig they would have trimmed his beard to match, which I don't think they did. For that reason, I think Mark only filmed the one scene (unless he shot something immediately after, before the beard grew any longer). Either way, I don't think he's going to be in the film very much.

Personally, I don't see much evidence that Disney is really doing anything to purposely misdirect the fans. I think the fans do enough of that on their own, so it would be a waste of time and money for Disney to bother making fake call sheets or whatever and leaking them out. Plus I don't see the purpose in putting out a bunch of fake info, confirming some of it in the teasers - thus making people believe the rumors are true - and then having some of them be false. It's the kind of thing someone might do to amuse themselves, but I don't see what Disney would stand to gain from that. I don't doubt that they want to keep much of the plot a secret, I just don't think that the mis-info is coming from official sources.

 

Logic rules the day. Great post.

 

If MSW knows every shot why is he still speculating in his articles?

My guess is very few people know the whole movie. The ones that do is the group we see in the table read. That's 14 people in that group then throw in Iger then maybe another half dozen higher ups in the production of the film. Most of the other actors only have parts of the script that pertains to their characters. Knowing that few people know the whole film who's Ward going to get this magical document from? Who's that important that knows the entire film that cares that little about his or her job that will be willing to give some tumbler blogger the whole movie? Not to mention who's stupid enough to make a single document with the whole film on on a production that's been so secretive?

Then why make a statement that he had to wear robes to cover himself up to avoid the drones at pinewood as he walked from his trailer to the set?

 

So in theory if this is being done for budgetary purposes or printer up before filming of the movie begins isn't it possible that things change throughout filming?
Isn't it possible that on a project that is so secretive that some things could be not included in this list.
And again I still have my doubts that just any Joe schmo would have a copy of this

 

I still find it interesting that we have yet to see anything new in both trailers. Meaning everything that we have been shown we've already known.

 

I don't think anything so nefarious is going on, it's probably something rather simple: Luke Skywalker is the moneyshot for TFA. We all know he is in the movie, the question is in what way and for how long. I makes sense to me that is JJ wanted to be very secretive, he would do so not necessarily with the whole movie but with a select few scenes that will be key to the final film. Ergo, most of the film can be spoiled with the shot-list that MSW has, but the very best scenes are only known to those who shot them or were in them.

This is more of a marketing example than a director's choice, but take Avengers: Age of Ultron. We knew that The Vision was going to be in the film, it was announced a looooong time ago. However, we never really got a look a him until very recently, and most of us still don't know exactly how he is featured in the film (it was released internationally this weekend, but us in the States still have to wait for next weekend). Luke's role could very well be marketed in a similar way: tell us he's in the movie, tease us with promotional images that barely show him, make us believe we know the whole film in advance (this could be by clever design or by accident; MSW leaks), and then deliver the one-two punch of his actual appearance when we're sitting in the theater.

Or, you know, he's a glorified cameo/plot device and most of us walk out feeling cheated.

Edit: I think I tried to disprove your quote, @Max Rebo, and ended up proving it. This one-scene Luke stuff (and by that, I mean actual Mark Hamill Luke) kind of feels like a snake eating it's own tail...

 

My point exactly.

 

@Kyle (and I believe other staff members here) claims to have seen a production photo of a shot in the film with Driver, Ford, and Hammil present. I haven't heard it talked about recently but such a photo it seems would destroy the "one Luke scene" theory.

 

FANTASTIC POST!!!

People have gone to extremely obsurd lengths to dismiss MSW and SW7N breakdown of the "story beats". The second teaser has confirmed a huge chunk of the story beats that have been leaked, and while the final finished product will be the "arbiter" of which spoilers/rumours are right, as of right now one side is looking much more accurate.

With all this luke stuff, @MagnarTheGreat has a fantastic break down that I believe highlights just how little Hamill was involved in shooting beyond Skellig Michael. People should be able to find it, its been posted in many threads.

This is why conspiracies hardly ever pan out, there is one nugget of truth "Hamill spent X amount of time in london" from that point, nothing lines up, JJ is not feeding Dis-info to MSW/SW7N, if you believe that then the story beats that were in Teaser 2 (and which line up with MSW/SW7N info) were designed solely to perpetuate the "dis-info campaign" which inturn means teaser 2 is not real.....see how conspiracies start to eat themselves in circular logic.

The conspiracy theories died with Teaser 2, its now all about the speculation of how close MSW/SW7N are to the final product.

 

It's not real? You mean I can't travel to Jakku? NOOOOOOOOOOO

 

I actually just posted this in the R2 thread. anyways, I fully believe MSW has some important stuff wrong. i really think its hamill in the trailer scene. Not to be that guy, but JJ is a smart dude. I believe everything thus far has gone according to his plan. He allowed for this shot list to leak to MSW. The info within had just enough detail/correct info to validate Jason Wards info. The trailer drops...boom, his word is gods word. And the LFL/BR team are secure, their story is secure. Any real leaks will be shot down as they dont correlate with MSW shot list. Had MSW not gotten certain details correct, the fandom would disregard Jason's word. I find it HIGHLY suspicious that MSW received a shot list, and ONLY MSW. I find it highly suspicious that the only real insider info has come from one site, a site that is quite new. I find it highly suspicious that the entire films story beats for a JJ Abrams production leaked in the form of a shot list, with detail such as a bloody mark on Finns helmet "with 3 fingers" and yet Jason cant definitively say what characters are who (solo/skywalker) etc. i know ill be outed as a conspiracy nut for all of this, but i believe MSW only knows exactly what JJ wants us to know.

 

I am with Bluemilk on this one. I think the whole "only in one shot thing" could very well be that Luke is only revealed in one shot, but could be present as a shrouded-disguised character at various points throughout the movie. Hamill would only have to be present for the parts of the movie where face and identity are fully revealed, everything else could be a disguised body double.

 

That could very well be and would be interesting to see.

JJ said that he wanted to give the fans one last hurra with the big 3 then he wouldn't give Luke just a few scenes and the rest of the big 3 a whole bunch of scenes. To give the most powerful and popular jedi of all time minimal screen time for his one last hurra would make the fans burst out in rage, JJ knows this.

So it wont happen.

And by the way, all that stuff about we haven't seen any photos and reports of Mark on set besides Skellig Michael doesn't prove a thing. We haven't seen any setphotos and Setreports of Ford and Carrie either, still that doesn't prove a thing either. Everything we have seen and heard is unoffcial besides the trailer rumors, so people take it all with a big grain of salt.

 

Just throwing a wild idea out here. It could be that he filmed his scenes for Episode 7 and then filmed his scenes for Episode 8 within those 6 months.

Edit.

And to whomever voted Original, yes it is an Original idea, and it is still a possibility.

 

I'm open minded and this could very well be true that he is only in one scene, but common sense dictates there is much more to his role than that.

im done speculating on MSW info and who/what we should make of their sources. I think this thing, like the Cyborg Luke theory, is wrong. MSW has been right, and I'm sure they will be again, but not on this.

This is my opinion, and only my opinion. Mark Hamill was in England for almost the entire duration of the shoot. I accept that his role will be limited in this film, but just because we only know of one location he shot at does not mean he is not in more scenes. You don't take a working voice actor/actor like Hamill and pay him the healthy salary I'm sure all of the OT principals commanded just to misdirect fans by hanging around the set. A financial controller would not allow that, unless Hamill took some sort of pay cut, or like the new theory above, filmed some stuff for future films. Both of which are interesting theories, but I still think Mark Hamill was there for a more straight forward reason, to film his scenes in TFA.

To go over what I have posted and heard. Luke is not well. Luke has lived in isolation for some time, my little bird speculated this was due to his fear of the new Dark Side entity channeling itself through him; or trying to get himself as far away from the ones he loved so they were not harmed to call him out(hence the beginning of TFA is the catalyst to getting him out of isolation). At some point, when she was a small child, Rey was his padawan and only the two of them know that. Luke shows up at the end of the film to save the day, but he is a mess, hence the still of Driver, Solo, and hobo Luke. Luke defeats Kylo Ren, but I was not told nor did said little bird know if Kylo Ren is killed by Luke or Dark Side entity or if he lives.

That is all I have been told. As I have said many times, I am repeating what I have heard, not calling anyone a liar or telling them their information is wrong because it does not line up with what I heard. These pieces are all part of the puzzle and I remain firm that we will all mostly be in the dark until the curtain goes up in December. Simply saying, Bad Robot and Lucasfilm have everything concerning the plot specifics on LOCKDOWN. We might get a few more production leaks about design or costumes, but I wouldn't count on much more.

I'm being very careful with what I repeat these days. One of my sources no longer works for Lucasfilm and the other has been moved to other projects, as well as working more closely with Disney-centric projects. Most of the information I get from them at this point is secondhand from colleagues they are friends with outside of work. I've heard some things, but I'm hesitant to post it because there is nothing to back it up except conversations they had at a BBQ or after work beers.

 

Has anyone seen a set photo of Anthony Daniels!?