SPECULATION OFFICIAL Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

j.j. abrams is known for counter infomation and last minuete changes

 

black smoke monster, whats that? (confused)

 

Issac is Dameron and Driver is also ANOTHER XWing pilot who could possibly be Kylo Ren we have all already talked about this. What does poe Dameron have to do with anything? The teaser shows Oscar Isaac flying an x wing and the card confirms his name. Is someone playing a joke on me?

 

It's from the TV series LOST. It was meant as a joke. The show Lost, produced by JJ was known for one mystery after another. Nothing ever got answered and when it did 10 more questions arose. It's the Mystery Box on steroids. The show started out awesome, then just got more and more convoluted.

 

no, i am not playing a joke
what i said about being 100% sure is that adam's charecter is a sith wanna be, anyway his x-wing (adams) is that one in my profile pic I know because i saw him get into it on a twitter post from john boyega the before his profile was deleted.

 

thanks for expanding, i got bored of the series myself.

 

You said Poe Dameron is Kylo Ren. The only thing 100% about that is you are wrong. Poe Dameron is Oscar Issacs character not Adam Driver. If you are now only saying Adam Driver is Kylo Ren and is a wannabe sith....Welcome to the club with everyone else who has said that.

 

oooooh sorry i meant that, yeah I havent looked through all the old posts but i will do now though

 

' I find your lack of faith disturbing '

 

Indeed, this is what makes me suspicious about the character names and even the film's name itself. Can't wait until we get some solid, no changing details about the film, though that's probably not going to happen until a couple of months before the film's release, knowing our luck....

This last year has passed quickly, but you just know the next one towards Episode VII is going to drag along...

 

LOL I just had a funny thought reading your post. I DON'T think this is it, but the funny thought I had was Artoo is the secret to ruling the galaxy. Thats why the Kylo Ren is on the prowl ... think of all the droid has seen and it's memory has never been wiped

 

I think we can rest assured the name of the film and the names of the characters(or partial names) That have been released are the real deal. Abrams will create some distractions here and there or come up with strange working titles while filming is taking place but he doesn't put out trailers with fake names or release product (trading cards) and then claim it isn't accurate. The only thing we can say they have released that is questionable is the name "Captain Phasma". Only because a face hasn't been tied to the name. When some form of media is officially released to show who that character is its a done deal. You aren't going to go to the movie and Kylo Ren is going to have a different name in the film. JJ works in subtle ways no outright lies.

 

We are no arguing, we are discussing. Is for fun

1. I never said his height would be changed in post. The difference is only 3 1/2 inches. The right boots can do that, not to mention how the costume is configured and how the shots are angled can make him look taller than he actually is. My point is if they can make an average height man look like a small person, surely they can adjust a height by three inches and broaden the shoulders with the right coat (my shoulders for example look a little different in a peacoat or a suit coat compared to a t-shirt). How the costume is cut and arranged can have a large impact on how the person appears with little effort.

2. The reason they would do this: Do you want to hide Driver behind a mask and cover his dialog with a likely different voice in post to reflect the use of the helmet (like many other helmeted star wars characters although Jango would be an exception)? Doing this is based on the theory I detailed previously which is Driver is a sith wanna be, but Kylo is the apprentice, so they are separate characters entirely. And when you have a masked character who does not reveal his face for the most part (within the context of my theory) then you cast the part based on what you want that actor to do physically, like ray Park with Maul. So, if you want a Sith apprentice who has physical capabilities that appear like parkour moves, then you cast the best parkour preformer you can get and manipulate his physical appearnce to suit your needs.

To be honest, I'm not sure I completely buy my theory, but to me that is the only thing that makes sense given we have seen Driver in X-wing duds, unless of course he is playing twins. The double life would be a difficult dynamic to negotiated if you are leading imperials and flying x-wings at the same time.

 

There are other explanations for Kylo Ren the X-Wing flying Sith than the twin thing which sounds like a horrible idea, no insult to you intended. I've discussed at length several times that if indeed that was Driver in the suit than double life Kylo Ren/Undercover Kylo Ren are very viable alternatives. There is precedent for double life (Sidious/Palpatine) and this I feel favors the Kylo Ren Solo party. The undercover Kylo Ren has been one of my treasured ideas for months, an evil version of Luke and Han in Stormtrooper outfits just sounds awesome to my medically insane ears.

Just a thought has anyone bothered to ask the likes of G@briel Gr@y, Kyle, King, Jason, or Viral Hide whether or not Kylo Ren is a full name or a first name? I don't think Kyle and King have the sources for that but I think GG, Jason, and Viral do. It isn't like we're asking if he's a Solo or if Driver is getting confirmed to be Kylo Ren (like the majority of us expect) just clarification on the name. We know Poe Dameron got a full name and Kylo Ren isn't hyphenated like almost all double names in the past. Getting elaboration on the name would go a long way towards shutting up either the Kylo Ren or Kylo Ren Solo parties.

 

@Bluestreaking i think you are on to something. I think most of us universally agree that Driver is Kylo. I would say that most of us agree that is Driver in the X-Wing outfit in the leaked photo. Therefore, I think we will see Driver with two different names. Kylo Ren being the evil Sith/Sith wannabe and some other being the guy in the X-Wing outfit. That leaves us with 2 options

1. Your theory of Driver being undercover evil agent which I think is cool or
2. Driver is a character who turns or is driven to the dark side. This can work with him as a Solo or not.

Either way there can be a good story and I'd be fine either way

 

My theory at this point is that Kylo Ren is either
A. A totally seperate character and is not Driver at all. He will start the movie already doing dark bad ass type stuff.
B. Driver is an X wing pilot who may be related to someone in the OT he has force sensitivity but he is reckless and cocky. He will be shot down early in a battle and everyone will assume he is dead. Andy Serkis will find him and save his life,convince him the only reason he is alive is because of the darkside etc and his family and friends left him for dead fueling anger towards them.

 

It could also be that Ren is a part of the Alliance and is sincerely on their side but has given into his passions and succumbed to the Dark Side. His hate is still meant for the Empire. At least at the start perhaps his rise to power is helped by his position within the Alliance. Just as Sidious worked from within the Republic perhaps he works from within the Alliance. If he is already devoted to a Master then perhaps Uber runs the Empire remnant and he has Ren there to help steer the Alliance.

 

Let's take A and examine it. In this you basically make someone such as Domhnall Gleeson have to be Kylo Ren, which I still feel isn't true based on the trailer cast list discussed several times. But let's ignore who has to be Kylo Ren and examine what Driver is instead. Right from the very beginning Driver was one of the first actors they went after and was one of the earliest names attached to the production. If he isn't Kylo Ren than there are no other major characters he really fits in to since we know he isn't one of the heroes. Why would they go so hard for an up and coming actor like Driver if he is just playing a run of the mill x-wing pilot?

There a couple issues with B, the photo believed to be of Driver is from a set we are pretty sure is not from the first act, that's the desert planet. For him to be "shot down early in a battle" and still be the main villain for most of the film he would have to be shot down over the desert planet like what is rumored to happen to Poe. But if that is the case then why is he at Greenham Commons? Also MSW has seen concept art of Kylo Ren at the destroyed village which we believe to be part of the search for Rey or the Macguffin. So Kylo Ren has to be a bad guy by that early on in the film. Since we have determined that your theory at B requires Kylo to be shot down over maybe-Tatooine then Serkis would have to be there as well, I don't think our main villain of the film is on the planet we start at, but that's just my opinion.

To repeat my theory on the identity of Kylo Ren since I've addressed yours. Kylo is a member of an aristocatic Imperial family and uses his wealth and power to hunt down Sith artifacts while in disguise. He is force sensitive and obsessed with the Sith, possibly a member of the Third Order which is a whole other theory I've discussed that involve MvS. Kylo hears a voice that he knows to be a powerful dark side entity (Serkis) guiding him towards "Skywalker's apprentice" (Rey) but Kylo only knows her age and force sensitivity. Thus he is hunting down every force sensitive of Rey's age he can which leads him to go after Finn which helps spark the plot.

 

Is there a direct rumor that Kylo is an imperial aristocrat versus an aristocrat in a more generic variety. It has been a few weeks but I remember the rumors that Kylo was a spoiled Aristocrat. I think most people immediately added "Imperial" because he is supposed to be a bad guy. But we have Princess Leia and Queen Amidala, aristocratic title but not imperial. In the TCW there were several the King of the Teldarians, Duchess of Mandalore and so on.

 

give a minuete i shall get some of my old evidence out

the blue x-wing is your standard x-wing, however adam got out of the black one on a video from john boyega's twitter (before his twitter was deleted)