SPECULATION OFFICIAL Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

The Imperial thing comes from a couple things- it was what I was told by a source of unknown reliability and it seems to fit with some of the rumors we have of Kylo Ren working with Imperials

 

If we never saw Driver on the greenham commons set everyone would just assume he is just Kylo Ren one of the villains of the film. So this is obviously causing these dual life theories to pop up. I personally do not want to see a sort of Palpatine 2.0 happen. Also I know everyone is so set on him being this sith artifact collector but I don't see it being so involved. Star Wars movies (at least the the OT) happen at such a quick pace. I can't see them showing all this detail of him collecting things and flying to one system to commit some treachery then flying back and being an x wing pilot. We have to keep in mind this movie is going to be made for the casual viewer just as much as fans like us. The amount of detail and screen time spent on getting everyone on the same page with him doing all this MIGHT be possible but it might heavily bog the movie down. The movie isn't called "The Kylo Ren chronicles" or something. He would seem like the main character and we have already had 3 films devoted to a character falling to the dark side...no thanks on repeating that yet again. Star Wars films have always presented the villains in a shadowy sparing kind of way. I'm not saying your theory is totally off but I just don't see all that happening in one movie. Also I find villains to be less interesting when we meet them for the first time and everything is explained about them.

 

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btw it seems that adam is the person on the other end of the transmition from the junk yard dealer from rumors and leak sites, star wars news etc

 

I don't think we will see him collecting in the film. With the third order theory the rumored flashback is to explain who exactly this mysterious Kylo Ren is. Even without that the background I gave can be explained with a few lines of dialogue. I mean shoot the whole Jedi mythos was developed from some dialogue given by Obi-Wan

 

you must remember STAR WARS works in trilogys as you cannot put all the info of each saga (story) in one 2hr movie. listen my friend works in pinewood studios, London and as i have said somewhere else on this awesome website
act 1 introducing the new charecters
act 2 re introducing the old ot charecters (luke, han, princess etc.)
act 3 kylo ren and duel

 

This makes sense because there is talk that MVS secretly makes a call to somebody and that very well could be Kylo Ren.

Since you brought up a third order, I should mention I've been thinking about factions. Its been said that many things aren't what they seem in this movie. We will see people go bad, bad people go good. People with different interests. It would not surprise me if Finn is an example of bad going good. Who goes bad, probably Driver, if he's Kylo Ren, would do so in a public reveal to everyone. While the Empire may have a strong leader, I have to guess that they may have its own factions within. Take a look at the fall of USSR and rise of Russia with the new smaller countries. This could be how the Empire looks now. As for the Rebels, it's rumored that Poe is trying to stop a rebel attack on Luke. The trailer is deceiving. The X-wing on water scene is not the same scene as Poe in the cockpit. His uniform colors match the black X-wing seen on the spy photos at Greenland Commons. As for Luke, I won't speculate on which side he's on. The point here is that we live in interesting times where our politics have evolved, and Star Wars will mirror that to some extent to show how it's politics have evolved in 30 years. Factions are usually a result of wars and also cause for future wars. Just the nature of settling interests towards peace.

 

Yes I am aware but if we see that Kylo Ren is a villain in disguise in TFA what are we to be surprised by in the trilogy later that they can detail? He collects old sith stuff? Snooze. I hope we are all wrong and this character is much more creatively conceived.

 

You are assuming this take a lot of time to establish. That he has a thing for Sith artifacts and is a Alliance pilot. All of these things could be unfolded within the context of the story through dialogue and reference they do not need to show him running around to establish that he has a collection or interest.

For instance. Look at the lightsaber on Tatooine rumor. Rey finds a saber. Brings it to her boss/fence/dude in the cantina who then in turn puts the word out to select interested buyers. One of those is Kylo Ren the fact that he is on list of possible buyers alone presents him as interested in Jedi/Sith paraphernalia , has underground dealings and is more than he seems.

 

NEW IDEA
maybe j.j. who is rubbish at ending films will end this with the tantalizing cliffhanger of kylo igniting his light saber in the trailer, and the duel could be in episode 8.
He isnt even directing STAR WARS 8

 

Kylo Ren's identity is a pretty decent reveal for VII. His development later in the trilogy would be his developing power under the tutelage of Serkis to mirror Rey's growing power, only for them to have a climactic battle in VIII or IX that will have a drastically different result then what I predicted happens in VII.

 

There will be a resolved 3rd act. I don't mind cliff hangers but some people feel really robbed by them. So I expect that the end will not happen mid-tension.

 

So our big dramatic duel at the end of the trilogy is Rey a girl from tattooine battling some guy she doesn't really know who is a double agent for the empire and learned some darkside stuff. I can't be the only who thinks this sounds bad

 

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Oh no look at this farm boy from Tatooine battling this evil guy who somehow turned out to be his dad. Oh no look at this slave boy from Tatooine who is battling his old mentor. It's called character development and three movies is a long time to develop characters, were you unhappy Luke went from nobody to the most powerful Jedi ever?

 

I would be unhappy if I went and saw the same thing again.

 

@PoolShark may I ask what you disliked about what I said so I can address it?

In regards to what sbs said, what happened to both Anakin and Luke in their respective trilogies is part of Campbell's monomyth which ends in those sort of climactic battles. If you have issues with the monomyth then you are a fan of the wrong series, Star Wars follows these formulas and it isn't "seeing what we have before" it is the formula that make these stories stand the test of time

 

If that is the only information to go on. I would say that it would depend on how the movie pans out. How they get these characters together and in opposition. Deciding that the whole movie based on a few sentences sounds bad seems like an overreaction. I personally hope Kylo is not a stranger but I am not dismissing the fact that other ideas could work well and form a terrific story.

 

sbs87 read this ESPECIALLY THE FIRST SCENTENCE

http://screencrush.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-names-unveiled/?trackback=tsmclip
screen crush article
J.J. Abrams is famous for keeping secrets. His whole schtick as a director is the “mystery box”—finding pleasure in the unknown, and in the tease of that uncertainty. He didn’t show the monster in the trailer for ‘Cloverfield’; hell he didn’t even show the title of the movie in the trailer for ‘Cloverfield.’ If J.J. Abrams could release a movie without telling you anything about it, he probably would.

 

Hah. You edited your post Ewok Jedi. Good job. You're welcome. Now edit your Off Topic rating lol.

 

We know

 

but you specifically act as if you dont.

j.j. abrams if known for deception. THINK