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REYLO - Potential Evidence For & Against

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Moral Hazard, Nov 1, 2016.

  1. Starchaser

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    There are more arguments in favor of reylo than against it, and I do hope they go for it. They've set up an intense dynamic between the characters, and there's no way too keep things equally interesting without adding obvious sexual tension. I don't think Rey is Luke's daughter, and if she is....it will be mighty boring because there's no way to make a relationship between cousins interesting. I went into the movie expecting Rey and Ren to be siblings, and that would have been awesome because siblings have a special connection (I assume). Imagine Rey confronting Ren on the bridge as his little sister.....now that would have been a powerful scene. But cousins? If there's a movie where cousins are main characters and have an interesting relationship please let me know because I don't think one exists.
     
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    On Ben's end, maybe. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Rey sees Ben as anything other than a creepy monster in The Force Awakens, aside from a possible brief moment of pity. ("You're afraid that you will never be as strong as Darth Vader!")
     
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    there are a couple of moments, actually, where we see Rey consider him otherwise--and both times she immediately buries her emotions under anger to suppress them from herself and him:

    when he first takes off his mask, she's taken aback (he's not what she expected).
    she even checks him over when he moves away to put the helmet down.
    then she immediately throws up a defensive wall.

    when they run into him in the forest, she looks at the blood on the snow.
    why do that? what other possible reason would Rey take that moment to regard his pain except to acknowledge his humanity?
    --after which she immediately calls him a monster. ​

    Rey doesn't know what to think of this creepy guy. he's powerful like she could be.
    to say she has no interest in him is kinda disingenuous.
    he infected her dreams, and he's touched her mind.
    she hates him to be certain, but she is also drawn to him in that yin-yan battle.
    just as he is to her.
     
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    The first, I would argue, is a natural bit of shock in response to some creepy faceless dude with a deep voice turning out to be normal-looking and sounding when he took the mask off (since you'd presume it'd be there for a reason). And similarly, I'd imagine the second to be more of an assessment regarding how he actually got there (since the other guys who were shown getting hit with bowcaster bolt died instantly). I can get where you'd see a degree of curiosity from Rey stemming from those specific actions, but I don't think they are romantic or flirtatious in nature at all.
     
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    nope, not romantic or flirtatious at all.
    i'm just saying she's interested in who or what he is.
    monster, though he may be, there's more to him than that.

    Rey says she's nobody. we all know that's not true.
    Ren isn't nobody either and she recognizes that. instinctively.
     
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    This is the only visual cue I can see why some people might read an indication of a possible physical attraction from Rey. It may mean nothing but it's plausible that people can find enemies physically attractive without any love involved.

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    It's an ambiguous reaction - a fleeting self-conscious micro expression - but choosing to include a shot in the final cut that can be interpreted as Foe Yay within context (opposed to just simple quizzical suprise) is no accident.

    Even if it doesn't portend anything further it seems obvious (even to this non-Reylo subscriber) that the filmakers have deliberately introduced a subtext in this scene outside of Kylo's villainous crush with:
    • make up and lighting is used to portray Adam Driver in the most flattering way possible
    • both characters lips emphasised with the same colour lipstick
    • intimacy (unwelcome perhaps) suggested through proximity of blocking and lenses
    • two sweaty characters shown breathing heavily after a moment of release.
     
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    You're right, but I never said that there are valid arguments in favor of an already existing reylo. Of course not, Rey despises Ren in TFA. She might find him attractive on some level, but it doesn't matter given his actions. I meant arguments in favor of a future relationship.
    Unless you mean that there can't be a relationship because Rey despises Ren in TFA? Well, characters evolve, you don't expect Rey to stay the same throughout 3 movies, right? None of the characters will.
     
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    It's more along the lines of the fact that Ben killed his father is something that she's not going to be able to forget or forgive. Even if he turns into a saint later on, that act of evil is going to mar her perception of him for the rest of her days.
     
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    How do you know that?
     
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    Well, Leia didn't turn around and forgive her father after he did nothing to stop Tarkin from blowing up her adoptive homeworld, now, did she?

    Granted, I see Rey as being the more forgiving type. But she's definitely not going to forget what Ben did to "the father she never had", as he once put it.
     
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    This is interesting... I can surely understand why Padme fell for Anakin but Rey would have to be threading on the dark side to fall for Kylo. deceiving him into a trap would be my take.
     
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    From the only viewing of the movie, there's something between these two. Obvioulsy. They seem fascinated by each other.

    I don't think there will be any romance since jedis are not supposed to have attachments but I think they will team up to get Snoke down.
     
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    Fascination? Most definitely. I do think that they seem themselves in the other. However, I do not see Rey's fascination with Ben being romantic in any way.

    The whole "Jedi can't love" thing was a practice of the Jedi Order, and not an actual tenet of Jedi philosophy. It was one of the Order's greatest failures as an institution and it led to their "Chosen One" causing their downfall.
     
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    I don't agree at all with this. The Clone Wars showed that the jedis failed by wanting to make peace while going at war, it has nothing to do with Anakin's weaknesses and his inability to let go on things.
     
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    but Leia will forgive her son. and so will Luke. and so will Rey.

    because that's what Han would have wanted.
     
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    I'm sure she won't forget. No one would forget something this shocking. Han WAS Rey's father figure, and this horrible act proves that Kylo Ren is capable of pure evil. There's no way around it. But one horrible act (or more in Ren's case, all of them caused by one horrible mistake, falling to the dark side) doesn't erase a person's entire potential. Also, this act wasn't committed out of pure spite, sadism, or any other disturbing reason. For all we know Ren believed he had no other options. And we know for a fact it's not something he actually wanted to do. It was a horrifying choice, but it doesn't have to define his future choices. And Rey might be able to understand this. Especially considering just how fast all these things happened. Rey met Han, spent....what, 2 hours with him? Then she met Ren, spent about 15 minutes with him, then saw him killing Han, then fought him for 10 minutes. Most of the time, she doesn't even know what's happening. She doesn't really know anything about either Han or Ren, so can she really see these people (at the end of TFA) as a real father figure and a mortal enemy? Are their labels this clear? I don't think so. And while she won't get to know Han, she might get to know Ren. And who know what's he really like? All we saw was rage, Rey saw some fear, but maybe there's more. And maybe she'll like what she finds, maybe she won't, but anything is possible.
     
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    I'm pretty sure if you ask Leia who her father is, she will answer Bail Organa.
     
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    I don't know why some people seem to want a romance to blossom between Rey and Kylo Ren. I didn't pick up on that being even remotely possible. She literally wanted to kill him, and he sensed it in her and commented on it. And that was BEFORE he killed Han Solo who was his father and pretty much the only father figure Rey ever had. At least that she remembers. How they could ever even be friends seems like a huge stretch, and would require Kylo Ren to have turned back to the light. In my opinion, there's no way any romantic feelings can occur, especially from her.
     
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    Luke and Vader tried to kill eachother almost two times and they ended good pals.
     
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    i think they could be friends--with rebuffed puppy love on his side.

    i'd be perfectly satisfied with her not punching him in the face when he tries to flirt with her.

    let it end with them at least working together to save the galaxy--fandom can decide for themselves where they go from there and everyone will be happy.
     
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