THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Everyone was sacrificed for Kylo. Including the so called hero of this trilogy as well as the heroes from the last one.
Also Luke is his uncle. Picking up a lightsaber to your nephew without talking was lazy. Rian knew that Luke was too powerful, so he made sure to keep him away from Kylo. He also knew that none of us would believe Kylo defeating Luke, so we get this astral projection crap.

I think the only reason Kylo didn't shoot down Leia, (which he should have) is because they know women won't forgive Kylo if he does that. Everything about this movie was agendas. Han showed more concern for his son than Leia did on screen, but Han is cut down, and Leia is given a pass with a flimsy excuse. Han wasn't trying to kill him either. Didn't stop him from killing his pops. So what is crossing the line? It seems if you are a man and you run into Kylo. You are done. If you are a woman. He wants to train you, or join him. Some women don't care how many men he kills. As long as he doesn't kill them. They like him.

I don't know who this trilogy is for, but it doesn't sound like it was meant to be for Star Wars fans.

 

If Kylo was a pokemon he would be a magicarp unable to evolve. He just bounces and flaps about doing nothing apart from pouting. As for empathy typical Rian, he telegraphed it. You don't blast on others to make an angel.

 

Alright I know the movie is science fiction. But even within SW science fiction there was something called originality of storyline plots? I wanted the storyline to continue in orderly style not randomly chosen out of the surprise unknown events?

If it's my problem, than why is every single YouTuber and media negativity criticizing the last Jedi, no I think it's Everyone's problem for making it political in the first place?

YouTuber434 said: ↑
I am transgender person with just happen to have a Youtube channel under my belt. Playing with stereotypes of not being Gender nuatral in Last Jedi goes to show what a loser mindset the [producer + director] have?
So RJ is a loser because there were no transgender or gender neutral people in TLJ?? Huh...that's a new one on me, and I thought i'd seen it all here. You've proven that to be false...I'm genuinely surprised.

Yes this movie was robbed of keeping originality plots to storyline and some producer came from star trek background and mingled mix as if it was sucy Japanese cuisine dish for dinner as he treated the last Jedi, simply.

Mod Edit: Please refrain from needlessly bringing religious discussion to the topic at hand.

 

I read the first point and couldn't help laughing. For a movie that doesn't have any swearing in it, there were certainly a lot of audible swears from the crowd haha. WTF, FFS, JC, WTH mixed in with omg, hahaha, oh geez, really?, among others. No swears in SW, but it certainly evokes some haha. I get that some people like it, some people have even said on here it got better for them after multiple viewings.

My issue with TLJ is that there are eye rolling moments for almost every 2nd scene or more. Often eye rolling is being polite. It'll probably get a second viewing from me at home, not sure if I'll be along to cry with a 24 or if I'll invite some friends over and we'll enjoy it as we do Spaceballs.

 

Haha! Honest to god, there was a guy seated right behind me who said "WTH is going on here?" during the Leia scene. That was the first time I saw it on opening night. Because I'm a glutton for punishment, and didn't know how bad it would be beforehand, I agreed to go to a second showing on opening weekend and there were some giggles during that Leia scene, including mine. I stared at it in disbelief the first time, but the second time I had to laugh.

Yes, there are many eye rolling moments during TLJ. I nearly lost a contact lens a couple of times from all the eye rolling. I have no desire to watch it again, ever. I may watch Spaceballs though. Dark Helmet is a more intimidating villain than Emo Ren.

 

I seriously wonder how much different a story we could have had if it didn't seem like it was predicated on understanding and empathizing with Kylo?

 

It was fine to make Luke fail at one point and it was fine that it is now the story of the new gneration. What is not fine how it was executed. I mean if Luke failed at one pint, he should be allowed to leave something behind to keep he invented. I mean for example the Jedi books, why are they not books that Luke wrote in his exile about things that went wrong with the old Jedi? He had ideas to make things better, but did not have the inner strenght to make it himself. So enter Rey into the story, she has the positive youth and wants to invents the thesis (Luther) that Luke wrote down in his exile....what could have been without taking away from the new generation.

 

To leave something behind? He did leave behind a lot! He left behind hope. Hope for Rey, hope for Ben/Kylo and hope for the galaxy. "No one is ever really gone."

 

Luke did not teach anything to anyone. It was a fake image in the end. I would not want to be remembered for something I have not done. Let us just leave it as agree to disagree, specially since we are also in the 'hatred' thread. It is just how I perceived it.

 

Okay, okay. Only one more thing: Yoda "said" Luke taught Rey a lot. "The greatest teacher failure is." So I wouldn't say he didn't teach anything to anyone. But yeah, agree to disagree.

 

In our society failure means a full failure in life. We don't get a 2nd chance and we try to hide any failures in life, because it can destroy a career within minutes. So this message is not working for us and instead is perceived very negative in some parts of the world.

 

It may mean that to you...


I don't try to hide failures. For me failures are important to grow and to understand myself. So that message worked well for me.

 

As I said I talk about the society I grew up. It is what I learned in my life. I don't judge if this is good or not, but you cannot escape your roots.

 

Just had a conversation with an acquaintance who noted he was into showing his kids all the Star Wars movies (they are 3 and 4), but after TLJ he "doesn't really see the point."

Whether that is an over statement or not, that should scare the scat out of Disney.

The franchise is built upon generational longevity. That is the worst sign and review I have heard so far. AND he never said he didnt like the movie or trash it in any way. His opinion was very banal and matter of fact. Worrisome, KK. Very worrisome.

 

Disney isn't scared about some random family you know. It's only an issue if that sentiment is widespread and there's no evidence to support that thesis. Most people like the film.

 

That is not true. Look at the RT score. Type Last Jedi into YouTube and it is quite evident how split the opinion is. Even on this forum it is not like it is two people who flat out hate this film. This film is divisive.

 

I think I've identified the issue. You take RT score seriously. No one in the movie business or outside of the Star Wars fanbase takes easily manipulated online poll seriously. I didn't argue the film wasn't divisive, but it's still an tiny vocal minority. Most people like the film.

 

Right. And at the launch of Battlefront 2, massive amounts of trolls, who were spreading some serious lies about the game, flocked to metacritic and had the game down to a 0.9 out of 10.

Game was still great to plenty of folks.

Negative reviews are always the loudest.

 

Yeah those "lies" were about a broken pay to win progression system. One that EA has acknowledged and really only fixed as of a few hours ago. So that was a totally valid movement if you are in to a fair competitive shooter as I am. This issue may be more personal to me being a grandmaster overwatch (far better game) player. Overwatch is a perfect example of how to handle the lottery microtransactions. Buying a loot box does not make my in game character better than someone else playing that same character who did not want to buy a box. I would never refer to someone as a troll for calling out a greedy business model that was solely designed to exploit the Star Wars community.

 

I would disagree it was a tiny vocal minority, because the movie made about 320 million dollars less domestically then TFA. That is about a 35% drop so somebody out there didn't come back to see it like they did in TFA. Now the main argument is ESB and AOTC did less then ANH and TPM so that is just a trend for each Trilogy. Now I agree that TLJ was never going to make as much as TFA, but I still contend this movie had the return of Luke Skywalker after 34 years, and the drop was 35%???? AOTC and ESB did not have that selling point to them so the drop in box office was fairly typical, but the return of Luke Skywalker should have done better at the box office (in the context of SW money).