THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

I went to see it a second time, hoping it would improve on the second go but it didn't. I am bummed, but I'm glad to see at leas some others I go with are enjoying it.

 

Yeah, I'm glad people are liking it. Even going as far to say it is a masterpiece. If you are reading this and you enjoyed it, don't let our grievances take away from that!

 

It can’t recover for me. I have no faith in RJ and the new Trilogy he will make. Episode 9 will take a huge hit at the Box office because there is no hook to get fans who hated this movie. The hook of the PT was how Vader came to be so we stuck it out for 3 movies. Episode 9 does not have Luke, Leia, Han, along with killing the main villain, so honestly what is the hook for the movie?

 

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to find that with Carrie Fisher gone and the way TLJ turned out that Colin Trevorrow just couldn't come up with anything interesting because they sucked the life right out of all the characters in TLJ. Where do you go from here? Does Rey try and redeem Kylo AGAIN? Is Rey going to be tempted by the dark side AGAIN? Poe is going to take command of the rebels I'm sure. That isn't interesting. Finn has no character or backstory. I suppose he will be in a love triangle between Rey and Rose. Meh. Dunno.

 

Worst Star Wars live-action movie I've seen since Attack of The Clones

There's way too many characters and new characters that the movie has to juggle. Finn is squandered on this mistake of a mission with Rose. One of the things that was great about TFA was Finn and Rey's story and TLJ's is a pale, more pointless imitation of that with Finn and Rose. I didn't end up liking the Rose character.

The movie has the worst last scene ever in a Saga episode as it cuts to Broom Boy (who gives a crap?) on Canto Bight to show that he's the rebellion now or whatever who cares.

I liked some of the island stuff with Rey, not so much Luke who is out of character in this movie as he contemplates getting rid of Ben Solo is flashbacks (why are there straight-up flashbacks? JJ Abrams at least integrated it from Rey's POV as she was actively experiencing it in some twisted version of reality.) The real Luke would try to play to therapist to someone feeling the pull to the dark. Luke isn't my favorite Saga character, but I get why Mark Hamill was complaining.

Rey's character sort of falls out of the movie following her struggle with Kylo Ren, as Luke and Kylo Ren take the stage. Something about Ridley's acting was way too subdued in this movie versus TFA. And still unlike say Jyn Erso in Rogue One - her background is still poorly defined. We saw a ship (whoever was in it) leave her on Jakku in her Force vision in TFA. No follow up in this movie.

Kylo Ren's character was about what I was expecting, no more and no less. His pull to the dark that Luke felt in the past is not explained in the movie. He is also a deceiver and liar to multiple characters in the story (as is Snoke).

I liked Carrie Fisher's acting for the most part in the movie, but the space scene was a WTF.

There were a few moments of bathos style of humor that Marvel is know for which hurt the scenes in the movie.

Snoke was fun until he wasn't having fun anymore.

Portions of the movie were boring and unnecessarily convoluted, especially outside of the Rey/Luke/Kylo plot.

Visuals were a mixed bag. Some shots were great but I noticed a lot of bad CGI and CGI backgrounds which took me out of the movie.

Feels like it's betting on the wrong horse to give Rian Johnson more Star Wars movies; I'll skip those and even the amount of caring I have for Episode IX has been hurt though I know Abrams can further clarify and ignore what's gone on before IX takes place and add more mystery box to it.

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5 is average. Numbers above 5 are to indicate how good something is. Numbers below 5 are to indicate how bad something is.
Rating: 4.5 out of 10

(For reference for people, I gave Batman vs. Superman a 3 out of 10 and Suicide Squad a 3.5 out of 10.)

 

There is no where to go other then repeating more plot lines: Resistance vs First Order, Rey vs Kylo, etc.

This felt like a 3rd act and that’s where Disney screwed up. Of course Episode 9 will make money, but nothing close to TFA and TLJ Opening because they lost people like us. I saw TFA 4 times, I have no desire to see this movie in the theaters as I’ll catch it on Cable next year. There is nothing that will get me to see Episode 9. I’ve been a diehard fan since 1977 and this movie alienated me way more then the PT did.

 

I think this thread is worth bringing up again.

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....t-reaction-to-tlj-should-we-be-worried.53386/

 

It's definitely a polarizing one for SW fans, but casual viewers will tend to like it as they don't care much about where from and to the story goes and what happens with the characters they're not attached to much. It will be also interesting to see how will people look at it after some time, especially after the episode IX is out and the whole trilogy is complete. Hopefully JJ will save the day at least partially (who would believe someone will say that..?).

I'm sure I won't like it in any case, there isn't much I could like. Mostly Mark's performance which was simply mind blowing. Not only his character Luke can save the day, but also Mark himself. Thank you Mark, you were that actual spark in this movie for me.

 

Yep, Hamill despite his own complaints about his TLJ character, did a good job.

 

Johnson's a good director, but his writing stinks. I wonder if he'll treat his own characters with more respect in his trilogy? Honestly, I'm fine with LFL rethinking that.

 

The new Johnson trilogy announcement seemed like a marketing stunt being announced right before this movie came out last month. They could have waited on that.

 

I would be interested to know the ages of the people who liked the film and disliked the film. If it appeals to the young then fair enough. They are next generation of fans.

I saw a new hope at the cinema when I was a 7 or 8. So I am old ish. lol.

I absolutely hated this film from the beginning to the end.

TFA was OK...ish, but what it did do is set things up nicely for SW 9 to be one of the best films ever. RJ was gifted it on plate. He had so much to play with and this is what he produced !!!! Oooh Ryan, what on Earth have you done ? This has to be the biggest cinematic **** up in history. You destroyed all the goods bits and left all the bad bits. What were you thinking ?

Mark Hamill should have read the script and walked away. In some respects I blame Mark for this mess more than RJ. Although, Mark did do brilliantly with what he had. Without him this film would have been the worst film in history.

I personally don't think the franchise can be saved.

 

I'm 22. I haven't watched a Star Wars movie in a theater before TFA.
The first SW movie I've ever seen was The Phantom Menace. I watched it during a SW marathon on tv some time after the ROTS release. Since I was a kid back then I absolutely loved all the prequels, I though Jar Jar was genuinely funny, I didn't mind poor dialogue and I fell in love with ROTS, final battle, the music, etc. Nowadays, watching the prequels I may cringe at some things but I still enjoy them and feel nostalgic watching them. My favorite one was and still is TESB (I never met my father, and Luke finding out who his father was something I could relate to, and still do). I was very impressed by the OT movies and have rewatched them gazillion times since then. I liked TFA, too. It was somewhat repetitive, of course. The plot is simple, but the new characters and the questions the movie leaves unanswered sets pretty high expectations for TLJ. And TLJ just kills everything that TFA has built up and leaves the sequel trilogy falling into the abyss. That's really devastating.

 

This is an interesting take. I found that the casual young star wars fan who really got into the franchise after TFA has loved both movies so far. I find that the Star Wars fans that have watched it religiously since childhood like myself, were really disappointed and underwhelmed.

Say what you want about the PT. As stand alone movies I agree they were poorly done, but the story itself was brilliant, even better than the OT in my opinion.

I don't really have much hope in this franchise going forward and I'm with you in wishing Mark Hamill would have stepped away from the film after reading the script, but I guess the payday was too large.

 

I agree 100%

 

I am in the same age bracket, saw the OT during the first release in the theaters and all, and loved TLJ with just some minor caveats, most of which I haven’t heard a single TLJ hater mention. Worst film in history? How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

 

All your points are non points, except for the space slug

 

That last sentence is exactly how I feel. And I didn't even like TFA enough to see it more than once in the theaters.

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Yeah, I started to buy into this after a couple of interviews with Daisy and John from a site I can't recall at this minute. Daisy was pretty much asking her interviewer what were John's thoughts on the film. Both seemed unable to give a direct take on their feelings over the whole thing. I learned a couple of days back that both Daisy and John expressed concern that the two of them weren't going to share any screen time. But what really raised my suspicions was Daisy admitting readily (to Rolling Stone) that she cried tears of joy when she learned JJ was coming back for Episode IX, when initially there had been some discussion that Rian was coming back for that one instead.

 

I meant that in terms of the importance of the Star Wars 'Brand' if you like. I would say in this context, TLJ is by far the worst film I have ever seen. I left the cinema angry. Yes I have seen 'worse' films but I have never had raw anger when leaving the cinema before. RJ murdered Star Wars. Its a crime. He should never be allowed to do another film again. Star Wars or anything else.

Star wars is not Superman, Batman or other such trilogies. Star Wars is Star Wars. It means so much people in all age groups. It is iconic. It has to be done right everytime.

I agree with the earlier poster, I had no real problem with the prequels. In fact I quite liked them. I can understand why some people don't like them but the TLJ is a shocking mess. It has no place in the Star Wars line up. It needs to erased. It needs to be redone.

TLJ is a film I can not watch again. I can happily watch all the rest, but not this one. For me, it is that bad.

 

This film KILLED the Rey-Finn dynamic and there is no fixing that.

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And if someone called it the best film ever would you challenge that too? Hyperbole is a common tool when people discuss their very positive or very negative opinions about some form of entertainment.