Thread for those who loved the movie

It shows how some of the hater videos work. They tend to get over explosive over very minor things and get angry when items they say arent realistic or real turn out to be realistic or real then push back saying they are being personally attacked.

 

Which to use the word "realistic" in SW movie is absurd.

 

LOL, it's funny how videos "don't make the case" when they're critiquing TLJ but are "spot on" when they're heaping praise on TLJ. I mean it's fine for that guy to have an opinion (everyone does) but his analysis is so flawed in the first few minutes I'm not sure how it's taken serious. I mean just take the Rey Nobody argument

Was it the fans that cut the trailer of Luke saying "The Force Is Strong In My Family. My father has it, I have it, my sister has it, you have that power too"?

What was the intended consequence of saying that? That people would speculate about Rey's parentage. They could have said very early on whose Rey's parents were (even before TFA), but they wanted to use the mystery to draw people in, to keep buzz and talk going, and keep them interested for a TLJ reveal. This is not on the fans or their head canon (head canon that LFL saw fit to stoke and nurture). The same speculation and open-endedness that he is decrying now in this video is part of what drove people to see TLJ. Can't have it both ways. If you want to tease an amazing reveal, and the reveal is that there is no reveal... well... it seems reasonable for people to have a problem with that.

Further if his point is to be taken seriously that all the speculation about Rey's parentage were by definition predictable because they were being theorized in advance of TLJ's premiere, then his own prediction that she came from nowhere was also predictable. Surely no one thinks on this board that Rey being from nowhere was not discussed almost as often as many of the other theories. Rian went his own direction, this is the result. Now if you liked it - that's great (there's honestly nothing wrong with that). But to pretend that this was an unforseen twist is incongrurent with reality, it was a flop of a reveal IMO, disappointing to others, but it was very much discussed, if no place else then here at the Cantina.

 

Perfectly willing to say good things about critical videos that go into any depth on logic and reason and arent just hyperbolic.

Since that was never in the film we dont know who he was saying it to. Could very well be Luke talking to Ben. Trailer also has Rey say "I'm no one". Movie has Maz tell Rey her parents are never coming back and JJ Abrams said Rey's parents are not in TFA.

Rian didnt go in his own direction. A month before TLJ opened Daisy Ridley let it slip that she knew since filming TFA who her parents were. Of course it was discussed. We should do that, it is one of the things that makes Star Wars fun. It isnt something that people should invest in emotionally.

 

Well, there has to be some criteria. Because, the Emperor shooting lightning from his fingers is somehow more "realistic", than Leia pulling herself towards the ship.

 

Yay, more negativity from in thread about loving The Last Jedi. It must be exhausting being so miserable in a forum dedicated to fans of Star Wars.

 

The only criteria there is that the dark side is quicker to achieve power, and that's about it regarding the Force. So, there room to wiggle for expansion.

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Yeah, we must not enter their thread.

 

with all that anger and fear, Rey is drawing on the dark side. we see it in TFA when she trounces Ben, we see again in TLJ when she tries to shoot him, gets violent with Luke, attacks Snoke, literally primal screams at the guards. balance is the point of the ST.
Light and Dark are not synonymous with good and evil; they each have their advantages and risks.

 

An example is the bombers dropping bombs, people including people in this video, were like no way. Physics. Then the video shows that the bombs were magnetically launched. Also physics experts have chimed in with other ways they would work as well. This sort of use of "realistic". We all know that the way space is depicted in Star Wars has never been realistic.

 

Ray shields, energy shields, deflector shields, magnetic seals......I never got an explanation from anybody on the differences.

Therefore, childhood ruined. Obviously.

Now bombs fall? noooooo!!!

 

Like explosions without an atmosphere or there being sound....(WHICH IS WHY THESE PEOPLE SHOULD REALLY LOVE THE HOLDO MANEUVER)

 

So just watched a video that someone thought was good to show how LFL has a SJW agenda. So at first I was like not going to give it a view, but it said 99 reasons. So I gave it a watch. Oh please. The 99 SJW reasons were.

On Canto Bight Rose says look closer and Finn sees the kids enslaved and fathier get whipped. Then shows a fathier with scars.
Rose is played by an Asian actress. Person said no reason for her to be Asian. I think this really gets down to it. People like this only believe a cast member should be diverse if the person has a reason to be diverse. Like unless the person is from China the actor should be white by default and I guess if their is a reason for a character is female then character should be male.

That was the 99 reasons.

 

Just wound down a twitter conversation (yeah yeah....I know, I know...) where the main complaint, after lengthy explanations of why Luke is Luke was.....seriously.........was that:

"it destroyed Luke, for agenda purposes, and that they violated Finn, Poe, & Luke's "male heroic archetype" and that TFA did it better when Rey was rejecting Finn's help during the TIE Fighter ground attack scene."

Yes...that was the complaint. The conversation kept going back to that point (and also complaining about Lando's sexuality....) about a 'male' and 'female' heroic archetype. And they had zero self-awareness of it. Zero.

 

i love the Holdo maneuver! : D

 

The number 1 reason I cant wait to see TLJ again on the big screen when Ep9 comes out (assuming theaters by me have marathon)

 

You know, as much as I am against forced diversity myself, I feel like this person missed the titles and thought he was watching some period piece about medieval Sweden. And those animals? They were in the movie, like, for 4-5 minutes. Geez, if that's the infamous "Kathleen Kennedy SJW agenda", then this person should avoid "Supergirl" like a plague.

 

I forgot the marathon. That's true, I would love to watch TLJ one more time in the big screen.

 

And that would be very ecumenical of you except... I think this video is wildly hyperbolic. If I'm being fair, I have seen few (pro or con) that don't eventually go off the rails. But this guy goes off the rails within 2 minutes of a 45 minute video. Again, if theorizing equals prediction, then the Rey Nobody outcome was predicted, not only on this forum, but by the video's author. I'm not here to tell you can't make a case for TLJ (you can make a case for anything when you interrogate your own logic beforehand) I'm saying this video is not an example thereof.

Correct, it's not in the film. It's in a teaser/trailer - my point still remains though. Also, there were several plot points that were provided prior to the movies, Rey's parentage is something they could've laid to rest immediately if they had wanted to. They did not, I am alleging, because they wanted to milk it for marketing purposes (and they have). No one complained about the speculation of Rey's parentage (among other things) when it provided free perpetual marketing buzz for the franchise. It was only when they shanked the punt on the reveal that now... the fan speculation was a problem. If you're not inclined to blame Rian for the Rey parentage flop, that's fine (I think he owns some of the overall mess) but I don't think the fans are the principal culprit here, I lay this one at the door step of LFL.

I think LFL would disagree with your last sentence. They want you to emotionally invest, they just want it to be the good emotion, that kind that has you go see the movie over and over again. It's part of the reason why Titanic was a hit, it touched something in the people who saw it. I wasn't one of them, but I did understand why many of my women friends saw it repeatedly. Of course that doesn't always guarantee financial success (not all good movies score big in the Box Office, and vice versa) but I think they want people to care about SW because caring about it is what has carried it this far and had made it into a phenomena.

LOL, disagreeing with the posted video is negativity? Surely you jest.

LOL, did you type this as you were making posts in the thread for those who hated TLJ or did you do it afterwards? I'm just here to restore balance to the Force LOL.

 

I'm just returning the favor.

 

Going to disagree. I dont think he simply says they are wrong he shows reasoning behind.

Not admitting to herself is integral to Rey's story. It sounds like you believe that after Luke is told Vader is his father he should have said. "Yeah thats what I figured" so we didnt stew over the truth behind it for 3 years.

Of course they did they want to tell a good story, a trilogy, if you will where you dont find out everything that is true or false immediately after you are aware of a plot point.

Rian Johnson has gone on and on about the themes of TLJ. Having the characters present what is most difficult for them. So the characters can grow.

Rey not accepting who she really is
Finn not committing
Poe being to headstrong and actions before thought
Luke afraid of failing again