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Was Luke's character assassinated in TLJ?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Mr Hux, Dec 28, 2017.

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Was Luke's character assassinated in TLJ?

Poll closed Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Yes

    35 vote(s)
    28.7%

  2. No

    79 vote(s)
    64.8%

  3. I am not sure

    8 vote(s)
    6.6%

  4. I do not care

    0 vote(s)
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    I say yes because of the Kylo-scene and his refusal to care about his friends and loved ones after one failure.
     
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    People can change, ya know...

    Especially after instances like.....hmmmmm.....a bunch of young children getting murdered while under your care, and seeing the bloody aftermath of it all.
     
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    No, becaue theme and metaphor is more important than fan expectations; plus, just the fact that Luke's story in TLJ can be linked to Tom Ford's Nocturnal Animals is proof that Luke isn't mistreated
     
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    Good points.

    People tend to be too narrow-minded.
     
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    I completely agree. The backlash against TLJ is reminiscent of the backlash to Alien Covenant earlier this year - both movies are excessively more intellectual and more symbolic than the original films of their franchises
     
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    Was Luke's character assassinated?

    Does a bear poop in the woods?
     
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    So did Yoda and Obi-Wan but neither of them actually gave up, they had to hide.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 28, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 28, 2017 ---
    The same old argument: the people that doesnt like TLJ are kind of stupid and doesnt understand as much as Rian's fanboys.
     
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    Luke was directly responsible for the people at his Academy; the Order 66 massacre was a general massacre that pertained to the whole Jedi order
     
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    Qui-gon went rogue, and Yoda DID give up.

    "Into exile I must go."

    And completely ignore the Rebels' fight against the Empire. He had to be convinced to help even just a little bit, once again, before dying.

    Obi-wan partially gave up. Watching over Luke, yet completely ignoring the Rebels' fight against the Empire. He had to be convinced to help even just a little bit, once again, before dying.

    Screenshot_20171227-213306.png
     
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    People have a right to defend TLJ, which inevitably means referring to negative response as a negative response
     
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    Yoda and Obi-Wan was, as members of the jedi council, directly responsible for the younglings that was murdered by Anakin.
     
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    Luke essentially represents male patriarchy.
    Rian's message is that this has to die, and that the future is female.

    This is why Luke got castrated and transformed into some sniveling coward.
     
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    But they weren't solely responsible
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    Patriarchy is abusive, therefore Rian Johnson is correct to attack it - attacking hierarchy is spiritual

    Just because a lead character is female doesn't mean that a film is advocating female annihilating male
     
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    The jedis was exterminated so they had to hide. They never abandoned the Force and actually didnt need much persuasion to help the rebels.
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    I have not claimed that.
     
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    Kinda like how all the possible future Jedi (to Luke's knowledge) were exterminated in the TLJ flashback?? Hmmmm.
     
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    You mean before he let go of his fear and desire to control and did save his friends and loved ones.

    I love that your argument assumes all failures are equal. Cause you know its just the one failure. You know the one failure where after years of trying to train his own nephew (which apparently isn't a whole parade of failure), he has a moment of dark temptation that despite the fact he chose not to succumb his nephew still is justified in thinking the worst and fulfills Luke's darkest fears. Yeah its just the one.

    Have some empathy for the guy.
     
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    Luke didnt go to the island to hide, he went there to die.
     
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    Yes. You used being "directly responsible" as a justification above, and now you're backtracking.
     
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    Ok, two failures.
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    I said that Yoda and Obi-Wan was directly responsible as members of the jedi council because the jedi council was directly responsible for the younglings. I am not backtracking at all.
     
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    Well, hide and THEN die.

    Kinda like Yoda....
     
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